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'gender incoherence' and Austism

James

A friend is reading Hendrickx's Women and Girls with Autism Spectrum Disorder (2015) and highlighted the following section. I have put it in this discussion board because I wonder what people's responses are.

Hendrickx writes "testosterone levels in women with autism were higher than control samples and that these women displayed more masculinised characteristics. It also found that men with autism presented more feminised characteristics, indicating that rather than women with autism being more masculinised per se, both genders may be more androgynous and represent a 'gender defiant disorder'. They go on o suggest that, 'gender incoherence in individuals with ASD is to be expected and should be regarded as one reflection of the wide autism phenotype.""

The frequently cited reference for this passage, omitted for readability, is Bejerot et al, ' The extreme male brain revisited: gender coherence in adults with autism spectrum disorder' (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../)

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  • I have Gender Incoherence (giggle) and will be following with interest :)

    'Gender Defiant Disorder' sounds like a really negative label.  I thought 'condition' was the new 'disorder'?

    Yes I know I'm pulling it apart, but does the author elaborate on masculinised and feminised characteristics.

    Personally, gender expression seems like gender masking to me (if such a thing exists).  Blokes are blokey to fit in with other blokes playing the 'let's be a bloke' game. Don't get me started on women lol.

    I do it too. I'm blokey with tradesmen (dreadful stereotype). I once met a really hot plumber and first thing I did was to waffle on about central heating in a deep Leeds accent. He turned around to me and said in the campest voice ever, 'show me your c*ck, darling'.  We bantered plumbing related inuendo for hours. oops TMI.

    So there's lots out there about how under-represented women have been in studies and there's a raft of content dedicated to discussing female traits.  There are also those dedicated to male traits. I've watched many and always have a problem with the idea that masking is a very much bigger thing for women and they're better at it. I'm a man and I could mask for Yorkshire, but saying that most of the content for men plays heavily on issues of frustration and anger. I don't do that stuff.  Does that make me more feminine, gender incoherent or is it full blown Gender Defiant Disorder?

  • in reply to matty6

    If put like that I'm probably in that category too

    Starting from being demisexual, so far only hetero, but that doesn't exclude bi, it just means I never met a guy that would raise my interest

    I don't know how to play 'blokey' game, I don't fully understand it, and to be honest i find it digusting/childish

    I don't understand games women play either

    Most of the time I try to stay away from anything including behaviour based on gender variation, or talking about it with strangers

    My path is:

    There is only logic (I wish there was emoticon for Vulcan's handsign)

  • in reply to Mariusz

    I'm beginning to think I'm demi (after years of drunken whoring!)

    There's so much talk of protecting society from anything that deviates from traditional gender stereotypes.  If see someone in a suit I think, why do business people have to wear costumes? Why are pin-stripe shorts not acceptable? Why can some women acceptably walk around in very short skirts but others are frowned at? Blokes in skirts, they can be very comfortable (the skirts not the blokes. oh theyd be comfortable in a comfortable skirt so i guess both are comforatble). Who watched game of thrones and thought that some male characters looked more feminine because they were wearing skirts. Seriously you've never played rugby until you've played in a kilt.  oops sorry for the braindump!

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  • in reply to Mariusz

    I'm beginning to think I'm demi (after years of drunken whoring!)

    There's so much talk of protecting society from anything that deviates from traditional gender stereotypes.  If see someone in a suit I think, why do business people have to wear costumes? Why are pin-stripe shorts not acceptable? Why can some women acceptably walk around in very short skirts but others are frowned at? Blokes in skirts, they can be very comfortable (the skirts not the blokes. oh theyd be comfortable in a comfortable skirt so i guess both are comforatble). Who watched game of thrones and thought that some male characters looked more feminine because they were wearing skirts. Seriously you've never played rugby until you've played in a kilt.  oops sorry for the braindump!

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