Dogma Surrounding Autism

As I’ve come across more people claiming autistic people are a problem it’s made me realise there’s a lot of dogmatic assumptions and beliefs about autism.

The main example is the assumption autism is a social problem because we don’t fit social norms and that social norms are inherently good. When we look to the past we can see “social norms” are actually inherently bad, social norms by their nature are discriminatory and are in direct violation of human rights such as autonomy. Less than a century ago treating women like they’re something less and have fewer rights than men was the social norm. In the 19th century slavery was part of the social norm. Each time we look at a social norm from any time period today’s people frown on it, it must of been someone with a “social problem” to want to deviate and change the social norm. I wonder if any of them were autistic!

Another example is the dogmatic assumption autistic people have a difficulty making friends. Autistic people do all that’s needed to be done to become friends, the reason things don’t work out is because the nonautistic people have a difficulty accepting people who don’t fit the standard norm. Nonautistic people are simply blaming their difficulties on autistic people, friendships are a two way street after all, not the autistic one is responsible for everything. 

I won’t list all the dogmatic assumptions that came to my mind but as one last example, the assumption autistic people have nothing good to offer society which is why they find the idea of a cure beneficial. I can believe that numerous of the greatest scientists throughout history were autistic because “autism traits” are the precise behaviours required to make new discoveries. Narrow interests, detail orientation, intensely focused, can detach themselves from people and spend more time on their work, better at recognising systems and patterns. I would say all these autism traits are of high value if the autistic person is given the opportunity to use them, and that they should be on the “Human Ability Spectrum” instead of defined as “deficits”.

I see a lot of dogma surrounding autism and hypocrisy by people failing to evaluate today’s social norms that people fail to recognise they have the very same difficulties.

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  • The biggest issue I have, and controversial I know, but its this: why, ultimately, should we have to adapt to society, rather than society adapting to us? 

    Yes we are absolutely a minority, no doubt about that. But for every single minority group, society goes to extreme lengths to represent.

    Take the trans "debate". Trans people are an even smaller minority than autistic people and yet we hear discussions about their "rights" more or less every day. Where is the discussion about the rights of autistic people?

    If you look at the media, autistic people are almost NEVER portrayed in a good image in the media.

    Elon Musk, is autistic, and is constantly berated and even had his disability mocked by a senior Twitter staff member. 

    Greta Thunberg is probably the only autistic person represented in a positive light, even though I personally don't like her, though that's got nothing to do with autism, though I do feel her views on climate are caused by a hyperfixation on the issue. We autistic people can become hyperfixated on things and not see the bigger picture, which I think Miss Thunberg is guilty of.

    I have lost track of the number of times I've read about extremists being prosecuted and the fact they are "autistic" being brought up. I did a thread the other day about how almost all paedophiles in the vigilante stings we see have some form of autism. Back to public figures, people like Mark Zuckeberg (not official autism but suspected) are mocked for their mannerisms. Imagine if a black person or a gay person was mocked. There would be a national outcry.

    Everything we do is not good enough for mainstream society. The word "autistic/autism" is used as a playground insult as much as "gay" yet it's never brought up. Other slurs like "spaz" are far too frequent. To be honest, I hate the word autism in itself, it sounds too much like austerity, austere etc. 

    I am a bit sick of being told I have to do x just to do basci things like not get fired from work or make a basic relationship. 

    At the same time, I'm at risk of sounding too depressing here. The biggest thing I feel with this community is almost everyone is negative about the condition and its effects. As someone who also has ADHD, the ADHD community seems to be far more positive and almost embracing their condition. I embrace a lot of my autism. My honesty. People tell me I'm "unfiltered". Sometimes this (may) be bad in terms of certain things like sex, but I make people laugh when they can actually be bothered to talk to me. I actually got compared to "greta thunberg" in terms of a local council project I'm working on, and about how hardline, relentness, and ruthless in getting stuff done. I've always kind of wanted to go into politics and I feel I could be very popular among the publci for being honest, less so by the establishment. 

    The way I see it, whilst there are undoubtedly a lot of autistic people with issues, some of the most successful people in society are autistic. I think a disproportionately high number of autistic people, actually, in relation to the NT population go on to be very successful. Elon Musk, Albert Einstein, etc etc. Just like Jews, we are disproportionatley represented when it comes to scientific and academic achievements, and also like that group, we have also faced high levels of persecution. It's worth remembering that autistic people were murdered in the Holocaust, though obviously I'm not trying to compare our suffering to that of European Jews in the Holocaust - it was a Nazi, ultimately, who coined the term "aspergers" and that remains a point of contention for many. But it does always irk me when some try and suggest Hitler was autistic...no evidence of that from what I have seen.

  • According to research by autism charities over 95% of autistic people see autism as positive which is why we prefer identity first language, "autistic person" instead of "person with autism," it's even here on the NAS's website advising people to talk about autism positively. 

    By professionals there is a cure vs no cure debate with the autistic ones saying they don't want a cure. In comment sections of videos it is extremely rare to find an autistic person wanting a cure. 

    I would say this forum sounds negative because it is people seeking advice of how to respond to complicated situations like benefits and anxiety, I can name numerous things different about autistic people that can be defined as divine gifts. 

  • I was once described in a newspaper article as "living with autism".

    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/brentwood-man-slams-nhs-mental-7176252

    That doesn't sound right because that makes it sound like its a disease or something.

    I'm not necessarily sure i like "autistic person" either. Autism doesn't define me. I feel my mental health issues have had a far greater impact on me rather than autism itself, albeit the root cause of my mh issues (bullying, loneliness, isolation) are probably the cause of my autism. 

  • It will be interesting to.see how perceptions will change if a more precise cause for autism is ever found. There has been talk that a poo test my be able to determine it, because of the mind/gut connection. 

  • No one knows the cause of autism, it's certainly not caused by mental health issues as we are born autistic. There is many scientists who are convinced autism is not inherited but is evolutionary by how they've seen genes build on top of themselves and make the evolutionary process accelerate, by how it's persistently increasing now finding children born autistic with neither of his-or her parents autistic. They say the increase of diagnosis can't be because of greater awareness alone. 

    I see autism as positive because the behaviours are of great value in particular areas, when my friends and I are talking they can't believe they never saw what I say, I only saw it because I'm autistic making me more attracted to detail.

    I am on podcasts as a guest myself using my autism as an advantage to help the owners and viewers of their channels, once again, I can only provide that help because of the difference autism gives me.

    Autism influences the individual's perception, the perception influences thoughts, thoughts influence our choices, and our choices make us become who we are. Autism is partially responsible for our identity as it influences our choices. 

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  • No one knows the cause of autism, it's certainly not caused by mental health issues as we are born autistic. There is many scientists who are convinced autism is not inherited but is evolutionary by how they've seen genes build on top of themselves and make the evolutionary process accelerate, by how it's persistently increasing now finding children born autistic with neither of his-or her parents autistic. They say the increase of diagnosis can't be because of greater awareness alone. 

    I see autism as positive because the behaviours are of great value in particular areas, when my friends and I are talking they can't believe they never saw what I say, I only saw it because I'm autistic making me more attracted to detail.

    I am on podcasts as a guest myself using my autism as an advantage to help the owners and viewers of their channels, once again, I can only provide that help because of the difference autism gives me.

    Autism influences the individual's perception, the perception influences thoughts, thoughts influence our choices, and our choices make us become who we are. Autism is partially responsible for our identity as it influences our choices. 

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