Being good at most social skills, with ASD

I know that most people with ASD have hard time being good at deception and charm, but people like me are different. I became good at being charm and deceptive. When I deceive people, they don't know that I am lying, even when I laugh after, because I use charm.

I am developed some NT social skills, such as lying, charm, manipulating, tricking and brainwashing. I know this is strange, because I have ASD, but I don't fit the stereotype and exact diagnostic criteria of ASD that most people and professionals think of.

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  • I got scared that I might have Antisocial Personality Disorder, because I still have some symptom of Conduct Disorder Unspecified, and with some of those traits, I developed some skills that I thought are NT social skills, but is actually bad characteristics. I am am 21 years old and still kept some traits of Conduct Disorder Unspecified.

    I sometimes wonder if I have Antisocial Personality Disorder, but have empathy and remorse, and don't go around commiting some crimes that I did throughout my childhood, and the only difference is that I never got criminal records.

    My symptoms throughout my childhood:

    * Annoyed and chased animals for sick pleasure, but I started to feel so guilty for doing that, as I stopped doing that
    * Sometimes broke some school rules, and get into fights
    * A little bit impulsive when angry
    * Always thought that I am right, and getting into arguments, most of my peers thought I was wired, because of that

    I know that my symptoms of Conduct Disorder Unspecified did not present all the time, but it was pathological and that went on throughout my childhood.

    Some symptoms of Antisocial Personality Disorder that I have:

    * Charm (I use charm when I lie)
    * Brainwashing (I don't do that, but I have that skill)
    * Lying (I sometimes lie a lot, and people don't know that I lied, but I am more likely to be honest than most)
    * Manipulation (I do that rarely though)

    Those skills that I have is limited, because I have history of severe communication delay.

    I feel guilty that I have those traits, but I wonder if it is possible for me to be a psychopath with empathy and remorse, and choosing to not commit crimes, but I still feel like I harm others by having those traits. I feel ashamed, I am sorry!

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  • I got scared that I might have Antisocial Personality Disorder, because I still have some symptom of Conduct Disorder Unspecified, and with some of those traits, I developed some skills that I thought are NT social skills, but is actually bad characteristics. I am am 21 years old and still kept some traits of Conduct Disorder Unspecified.

    I sometimes wonder if I have Antisocial Personality Disorder, but have empathy and remorse, and don't go around commiting some crimes that I did throughout my childhood, and the only difference is that I never got criminal records.

    My symptoms throughout my childhood:

    * Annoyed and chased animals for sick pleasure, but I started to feel so guilty for doing that, as I stopped doing that
    * Sometimes broke some school rules, and get into fights
    * A little bit impulsive when angry
    * Always thought that I am right, and getting into arguments, most of my peers thought I was wired, because of that

    I know that my symptoms of Conduct Disorder Unspecified did not present all the time, but it was pathological and that went on throughout my childhood.

    Some symptoms of Antisocial Personality Disorder that I have:

    * Charm (I use charm when I lie)
    * Brainwashing (I don't do that, but I have that skill)
    * Lying (I sometimes lie a lot, and people don't know that I lied, but I am more likely to be honest than most)
    * Manipulation (I do that rarely though)

    Those skills that I have is limited, because I have history of severe communication delay.

    I feel guilty that I have those traits, but I wonder if it is possible for me to be a psychopath with empathy and remorse, and choosing to not commit crimes, but I still feel like I harm others by having those traits. I feel ashamed, I am sorry!

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  • I don't think that you should be scared or ashamed for being who you are. I mean, if you put that kind of energy into a certain skill or practice, you can use it for something good. 

    I think that there might be forums and groups dedicated to those in the cluster b personalities, and you can read and share your experiences with each other, just to see if you can relate to any of it. But it's probably a good idea to get a diagnosis though, just so that you're not wondering about it all the time, but that's up to you. 

  • I hate to break it to you, but these are not traits. They're not inherent parts of the personality. A good read on Personality Traits might be to start with Jung's Archetypes. 

    Another caveat here is that what makes someone successfully charming is their ability to intuit an Other (Empathy) and appear 'self-less'. The wit and precision with this skill goes hand in hand with exquisite attention to detail and a fluidity of grammar. Language and Semiotics are the Most Important for one to Master the craft of Manipulations and other contortions. 

    Autistic individuals will lie if they feel in danger. If they have been overlooked and treated poorly, they may assume this treatment is how we operate in the world and attempt to mirror it. If we have not been exposed to a life style we genuinely admire, or under-exposed to art even, we might not thrive. 

    By the definition of Autism, one cannot be both Autistic and also a NeuroTypical (Neurotic) Psychopath. The Psychopath is inherently Neurotic, with the brain-wiring easily programmed for Tribal Inclusion with Language and Semiotics - Asymmetrical thinking which is focused on Hierarchal constructs of competition. An Autistic can become Schizophrenic, though, but when in conditions where they thrive, are not rewarded by domination over another as much as they are rewarded by Eureka moments, or breakthrough analysis. 

    These symptoms are not actual symptoms. They are experiments of learning to be human in a society that can be cruel, disregarding and marginalising. 

    Always thinking I am right is necessary when others give little room for growth and being wrong has a genuine cost associated with it. In an ideal situation, you would be afforded room for trial and failure and appreciated for just giving a thing a go. 

    I suspect you might be interested in psychoanalysis, psychology and sociology. Head to the library!