WARNING - SOME INFORMATION MAY BE UPSETTING TO SOME PEOPLE!!!

I have been debating about posting this for a month on this forum. This post is personal and I have never told anyone nor posted this on any forum. I’m not sure why I am posting this but I have no-one to offload this information, although I’m probably going to regret this later on. This is a very long post and I’m sure this does not make much sense as people have frequently mentioned about myself, so grab some popcorn and fall asleep due to boredom.

I am geographically half English and half South Asian (I can’t say which part), if you want more information then you can message me or comment below. I had a fairly religious upbringing but now I am an agnostic, although I was raised in a religious environment, it is difficult to say  whether  that was a significant factor for some of my problems. I was diagnosed with atypical autism and ADHD recently. I only speak English, yet I have poor grasp of the language and have always had a communication delay when speaking to others. I am currently in my last year at university and due to graduate in September and have a bunch of assignments plus a  dissertation, which I’m behind on whilst working but hopefully I will be gone by then although unlikely, as I don’t see much of a way out as to put it simply everything is in my head and I can’t seem to stop it but also that I don’t fit in anywhere. Although I don’t have much of a grasp of autism, it  seems that although I lean towards the high functioning end of the spectrum at times, there are several things I do that would indicate otherwise: not having strict hygiene rules, getting bored of routines, impulsive decision making, poor spending, not being gifted, having numerous but semi-specialised interests. Also  when I am on a natural high I am able to filter out a lot of noise but this is very rare and becomes the complete opposite when I am not.

I’m a 26 year old male, and I have never really had a girlfriend. I tried online dating a few years ago and even asking women out but just got rejected  or usually ghosted and the infamous bot, now I have pretty much given up as I know it is inevitable that I will end up alone and think that I’m one of the only ones who has had this experience, which may not be true but feels like it. I know this is not an issue with ASD because as evident in this forum it is possible. I tend to overthink and overcomplicate everything such as socialising, romance etc, especially when there is no checklist.

This is what gets me down quite a lot, is knowing I deserve to be happy but when it comes to execution in reality it’s virtually impossible due to factors such as noise, other people, losing track of thoughts etc.

I also misinterpret whether a women is being flirty or friendly and have had bad experiences where I have been laughed at for asking a woman out at previous work places or in a public place. I am also clueless at flirting, I try and avoid it because if I try to flirt too much it comes off as slightly weird, it is not my intention to be like that. If I minimise flirting it comes across as not interested. Despite being exposed to numerous social encounters, I frequently run out of things to talk about and this would prompt me during a “date” to talk about  random topics from reincarnating as an animal to top trumps or my other interests, which seems to lose their attention pretty quickly before asking them out.

Although, I went to an autistic meet-up around 3-4 years ago and there was a women who I believe was a couple of years older than me, she had an interest in theology. It was the first time that I had a conversation, where I was able to talk about my interests and hers without her going on her phone or losing interest, it was incredible, I don’t use this word at all normally. I was speaking to her on the train, it was then my stop on the tube and getting caught up in the moment, I forgot to ask for her number, a chance like that would be  next to impossible to happen again particularly given the fact she took an active interest in me and my interests and we seemed to both be interested in each other.

On a side note, whether it comes to trying to get a girlfriend or friends for that matter, I make bad first impressions because I am sometimes skeptical of people due to past experiences.

 I have just landed a new job and within the first month although it seems great I feel like quitting part of the reason is due to not fitting in, even though the team is good I can’t seem to have conversations as they talk about relationships, family and other common social topics, which I try to get involved in but fail, this is not something new but was there when I was younger,  but then it was an ignorance is bliss type situation now it is the opposite. This has been a recurring problem.

I’m not a negative person although contrary to above and I am sometimes around of myself and  achievements but also I am  a much more intelligent and a better person now than I was but my confidence before was far more than it is now.  I have been told that I am lucky and to grow up, it is true that I am fortunate in terms of my family but when  you are surrounded by very high achievers in all aspects of life, when you have not done nearly as much it is frustrating. I try not to compare myself but again when it comes to execution in reality it is impossible to ignore. Although I thought about going on ‘Undateables’ (not a fan of the name) but due to my parent’s being well known in their community, other people would not be too kind towards them.  I don’t really see a way out, it seems like I shouldn’t be complaining but when you cannot reset your mind or delete negative thoughts, whilst exhausting all other avenue in addition to being lonely (not physically but mentally), declining health, increasing workload and other factors, then there is not much point.

This is me at my worst, it is difficult to get an accurate representation overall but at my best I have a pretty good sense of humour, my interests keep me going and I don't think about loneliness but both of these states occur throughout a whole day.

If you have any questions or any suggestions then feel free to comment or to message me directly.

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  • Hi Simon, 

    First a little about me- my brother who is 42 has ASD and also my son who is 5. 

    I can’t imagine how exhausting it must be trying to ‘fit in’ for so many years and crave some form of meaningful connection! 

    In my opinion everyone deserves love and connection - however and whatever that means to you. I feel there will be someone out there who is feeling the same as you! 

    I see that you mentioned the ‘undateables’ and how it is unsuitable for you -could you still join a dating agency for people with ASD? 

    Also -you mentioned the lady on the train-who organised the meet up? Can you trace the lady? You could possibly reconnect? 

    All the best to you! 

    Jo 

  • Hi Jo, thanks for your thorough response, apologies for the delay in replying I've been off this forum for a while and relate to what you've mentioned. I'll try and make sure I cover all the points you have mentioned and just add onto the post. I tend to write long answers just to make sure I have covered all points.

    Fitting in as you have rightly said is painful. I have been forced into many social situations such as family functions, weddings, events etc and not once have I managed to fit in. I try to fit in at work but have sometimes have  idea what people are talking about and how people manage to have conversations at such a rapid rate such as thinking on the spot, element of humour and keeping people interested in the conversation. It makes me question whether I was misdiagnosed with ASD at all because both online and offline meetups I noticed similar things and not being able to join in. There are certain days when I am alright and pretty confident despite being lonely but certain days I am the complete opposite, I'm not sure why this is but it becomes annoying when trying to plan in advance.

    I think when it comes to connection I think it would be nice to think about having a girlfriend but execution for me is very difficult due to overthinking, keeping a conversation up and running for a specific duration, flirting, panic, selling yourself (as in through an informal pitch) and poor listening skills, all of which can't be learnt through a set procedure and you are only given one chance at making the best impression, which is something I could do but only after I got to know her. I don't necessarily struggle with talking to women per se in a workplace on a friendly basis but when it comes to asking out I panic to try and create the best impression i.e. confidence wise even when I am confident, but fear of failure kicks in and ends up becoming a bit of a disaster from previous experience.

    As for a dating agency I hadn't thought of that, it is certainly a great idea worth looking at in the near future hopefully. Is this like the face to face version of online dating whereby you ask the agency (app) to help you find a woman based on various interests and characteristics (filters or profile information). Then they introduce you in person, like an untelevised 'undateables' or 'first dates' type situation?

    I think that for the lady on the train (sounds like a good book title haha). I was able to create the best impression from talking to her instantly which had never really happened before, this was after the meetup had occured as I joined halfway through. I was talking about what I did for a living and my interest in a particular period of history and her interest in Theology, which I was able to follow and talk about. I could also tell that we were both attracted to each other and she wasn't on her phone at all or rushing off to the train. We get on the tube and it comes to my stop as this was also a busy time with a large crowd and then nerves got  the better of me unfortunately. It took me only a few seconds after the tube left to realise that if I had stayed on the train or got her number we would have been dating for sure and I would not have needed to post this. Despite the fact I have made some costly mistakes, this situation is by far the biggest regret and made me lose all chance of getting a girlfriend, given her interest in me and my own nerves. As for trying to get in contact, it was on meetup.com and she was either anonymous or not on the going to event as anyone could turn up. She was unfortuantely not hosting it and when I went to the next one she was not there for that. The way I put it sounds ridiculous but for me this felt like the only chance given my inability to replicate the best impression, maybe the ASD dating agency can help with this and I do try and forget about this but due to having ridiculous standards caused by previous experiences when it comes to dating, she surpassed those standards. My health is also declining despite exercising regularly and I may be running out of time but hopefully it can happen.

    Regards

    Simon

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  • Hi Jo, thanks for your thorough response, apologies for the delay in replying I've been off this forum for a while and relate to what you've mentioned. I'll try and make sure I cover all the points you have mentioned and just add onto the post. I tend to write long answers just to make sure I have covered all points.

    Fitting in as you have rightly said is painful. I have been forced into many social situations such as family functions, weddings, events etc and not once have I managed to fit in. I try to fit in at work but have sometimes have  idea what people are talking about and how people manage to have conversations at such a rapid rate such as thinking on the spot, element of humour and keeping people interested in the conversation. It makes me question whether I was misdiagnosed with ASD at all because both online and offline meetups I noticed similar things and not being able to join in. There are certain days when I am alright and pretty confident despite being lonely but certain days I am the complete opposite, I'm not sure why this is but it becomes annoying when trying to plan in advance.

    I think when it comes to connection I think it would be nice to think about having a girlfriend but execution for me is very difficult due to overthinking, keeping a conversation up and running for a specific duration, flirting, panic, selling yourself (as in through an informal pitch) and poor listening skills, all of which can't be learnt through a set procedure and you are only given one chance at making the best impression, which is something I could do but only after I got to know her. I don't necessarily struggle with talking to women per se in a workplace on a friendly basis but when it comes to asking out I panic to try and create the best impression i.e. confidence wise even when I am confident, but fear of failure kicks in and ends up becoming a bit of a disaster from previous experience.

    As for a dating agency I hadn't thought of that, it is certainly a great idea worth looking at in the near future hopefully. Is this like the face to face version of online dating whereby you ask the agency (app) to help you find a woman based on various interests and characteristics (filters or profile information). Then they introduce you in person, like an untelevised 'undateables' or 'first dates' type situation?

    I think that for the lady on the train (sounds like a good book title haha). I was able to create the best impression from talking to her instantly which had never really happened before, this was after the meetup had occured as I joined halfway through. I was talking about what I did for a living and my interest in a particular period of history and her interest in Theology, which I was able to follow and talk about. I could also tell that we were both attracted to each other and she wasn't on her phone at all or rushing off to the train. We get on the tube and it comes to my stop as this was also a busy time with a large crowd and then nerves got  the better of me unfortunately. It took me only a few seconds after the tube left to realise that if I had stayed on the train or got her number we would have been dating for sure and I would not have needed to post this. Despite the fact I have made some costly mistakes, this situation is by far the biggest regret and made me lose all chance of getting a girlfriend, given her interest in me and my own nerves. As for trying to get in contact, it was on meetup.com and she was either anonymous or not on the going to event as anyone could turn up. She was unfortuantely not hosting it and when I went to the next one she was not there for that. The way I put it sounds ridiculous but for me this felt like the only chance given my inability to replicate the best impression, maybe the ASD dating agency can help with this and I do try and forget about this but due to having ridiculous standards caused by previous experiences when it comes to dating, she surpassed those standards. My health is also declining despite exercising regularly and I may be running out of time but hopefully it can happen.

    Regards

    Simon

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