Narcissism Vs Autism

I appreciate that - if a challenge comes at you rated as a 2/10, you go back with 11/10 to frighten the challenger into backing down.  (I had to do the same recently - delivering a grossly OTT response to a mouthy idiot).

aye, thats because i still have pride lol
i am very much a quitter, but if anyone down talks me or acts arrogant or disrespectful towards me i put them in their place, or i overcompensate and send a message and put them much lower than their place haha

Caelus said:

the type that throws in the towel and says sod it and lets others win because competition is too tiring and obnoxious.

There's a combativeness that rings through a lot of your posts.     I find you are only forced into competition if you choose to play the game.     So much stress can be avoided by being wise beforehand with which battles you choose - most are not worth the effort. .

i guess agreement, in part... that intellect isnt a form of competition. but yet at the same time can actually be, such as when you are going for the same job as a load of other people, then its a competition in every single way... of both appearance, personality, smell, intellect, everything of you is on judge and competition to be compared to other candidates. then its a competition.... perhaps life is a competition when you think on it... although im more the type that throws in the towel and says sod it and lets others win because competition is too tiring and obnoxious.

and the problem with language is that everything can be interpreted a different way with each reading. which is one thing english teachers are usually joked about doing in that they read so much as a tiny sentence and can go on for years explaining all the possible different interpretations and meanings. as for my wording, i never really care, im more of a data dump guy, i guess it can be annoying for the reader to try piece together my data dumps, but on the other hand the type of english tutor type of person would have a field day with all the possible meanings they could mine out of it over and over lol

and i never really cared for aesthetic myself, im from up norf so everyone speaks rubbish up here anyway lol .... could be worse though, at least im not from Yorkshire.... god knows what they even say, they have their own language entirely.

Caelus said:

intellect isnt a form of competition

It's rather puzzling you'd say this. Even after I made a slightly exhausting attempt to spell out the perimeters of what specifically I meant by the word "Competition". Was it a form of agreement? Did you mean to reply, "I agree that intellect isn't a form of competition"? Or something else.

I'd like to understand what is missing here especially since you incorporated "Awareness" into the first paragraph... Being over-analytical, the possibilities I've constructed might entail: Trouble with the digital image of language in the form of symbols (A, B, C)? Or the logical construct of a sentence which is getting muddled up? Is it possible a screen inverted (white on black) would be easier for you to read? Just some thoughts. 

I'm also curious what you believe humility is/isn't and how that aligns with some of the philosophical teachings you've mentioned being interested in.

As for being "hated" or, responded to negatively, I USED to have problems not knowing what the consequences of my words were going to be when I was younger. I was also lazy with my Info-dumping. Some books call this being a "Leaky Faucet".

So I began to actively seek tutorials on how to Create and Aesthetic with Language (as best I could and this took about 10 years). I personally value aesthetic. But that meant: 1. controlling what I said by having a think about Ethics. 2. It meant affirming others as worthwhile and/or maybe struggling. 3. It meant not worrying about being overly-articulate. 4. It also meant using silence to spend time constructing and editing exactly what I wanted to say so I didn't waste other people's time. RESULT: I've found this creates a sense of feeling valued in the Other. All humans want to feel respected. And the consequence of my showing respect with my words this way benefits my relationships and makes life more enjoyable. 

This kind of intentionality with language - Creating an atmosphere and Using ethics in mindful evaluation builds trust. It's not for the 'lazy' and the selfish. This is also not for those who enjoy feeling like a Victim or a Martyr. But, personally I'd rather troubleshoot in advance user-errors in social situations. For me this is a better way to exist. 

I'm curious what you mean here! Do you mean she mimicked your correcting her and thus repeated that arrangement in exchange with her classmates? Or do you mean her being more precise with her vocabulary has created a social dilemma for her classmates. 

In the States I have been told I'm rather 'articulate' - as it's not typical. Unfortunately some people have classified this response as racist or discrimination, without noting how inarticulate humans are on the whole... 

My daughters (one autistic) seem to have suffered a little at school from their classmates because of my constant correction of their pronunciation and spoken-word constructions. In adulthood, however, it will stand them in good stead. I have been told on a number of occasions, by non-native English speakers, that I am very easy to understand. At school I was a bit of a vocal chameleon (when I wasn't selectively mute), I had one accent and vocabulary in the classroom and a different, more local and colloquial, version for the playground.

intellect isnt a form of competition (in most cases, in interviews competing for a job it likely is), but how you show it can be perceived as thinking your better than others, and when you signal to others in the room that you think your better than them thats where the problems start and where the room then hates you ever so slightly more, which continues down that slope the more they perceive you as trying to rub their faces in your intellect. this is why humility came to be cherished in society. and narcissists dont have humility as they love themselves so much... while autists cannot understand or read the room to realise they have to be a bit more humble and thus it perhaps causes them to act the same way as narcissists by mistake due to lack of awareness ..... and the whole point of lack of awareness is that your not aware that you lack the awareness lol

just thinking on this i can think of a few times myself where i might have pissed off a room. anytime i mention that i do fitness and martial arts in a room the entire room seems to hate me or be jealous or something and then you get hate for it for some reason. i guess this is the same, they think by mentioning that, you put yourself higher than them physically and thus they perceive me as thinking im better than them physically and thus they hate me for that. same thing, and lack of awareness of it until you reflect and think deeply of it after. funny one guy who seemingly didnt like me mentioning my fitness regime one time was a fat guy, so i dont understand why hed care as with how rotund he was its out of his area anyway. but perhaps a sensitive thing to bring up things that others in the room lack? ...which kinda holds them back really, as i could easily give the large guy some tips to work out in a lazy way in which he wont feel it and will get the best results while not getting any pain or exhaustion...... although then what is the fix? to not say anything at all? possibly... the cool silent type generally is more loved and easy to pull off. although anything you say will be hated on by the room, sometimes i do feel its better to be mute, but then again i dont talk much anyway lol more of a typer... /looks back at every growing paragraphs/ yup lol

I can see a situation where the bluntness of autistic conversation and their in-depth knowledge of their field leads people to see arrogance - and that maybe viewed as narcissistic on a casual meeting.

Caelus said:

alot of autistic people think they are smarter than others

This is one of a Multitude of NT perspectives which create significant problems for Autistic Individuals.

In my experience, Autistic individuals feel frustration that others cannot understand or sense what they are understanding or senseing. From an Autistic perspective, it's unusual to View another in this Very Specific Neurotic / NeuroTypical manner: as if intellect is a form of competition. Competition in this case refers to weighing one persons abilities over anothers or a set of others. 

In the US, it is remarkable just how easy one might confuse a lack of discipline, a recklessness or a lazy approach to society (which in many ways is Rewarded). If you annunciate, you are frowned upon. If you use 'clever' language you are ridiculed. If you are too tailored you are shunned or patronized. 

All these societal 'manners' (or lack thereof) can be taken on by autistic individuals, but without the natural ability to join herd mentalities, and then attempts to be part of society or act/speak/dress in the same manner leave the autsitc individual seemingly even more uneducated or on the fringe. 

It is well known Autistic individuals actually Attract Narcissists because they are seemingly so easy to Manipulate. 

While yes, having SOMEthing one can feel they have a little control over and approval for (intellect, in this case) will feel a bit more grounding than being subjected to never quite getting a thing right (socials skills, language, etc.) that is still entirely different than utlising competition or domination or power over others. 

NTs might confuse Narcissism with Autism because from outside both are very much concentrating on themselves, but in very different ways in for very different reasons.

Autistic people are supposed to have no empathy and narcissists just don't give a damn about other people, but of course it's one of those either or traits of autism, some do have no empathy, just have no awareness that other people are real and some have so much empathy they are called snowflakes. Narcissists are all about themselves, they know other people are there clapping them, adoring them and they like that, they know they exist when they torture their fans and they love to see them suffer, when they feel like it. Autistic people with no empathy don't enjoy treading on people's toes, they just don't read the expression on people's faces, and don't realise they've upset a whole room full of people.

Most autistic people I know of are very strongly into their interests but also really care about their pets, their family and humanity as a whole.

alot of autistic people think they are smarter than others, which sorta makes them appear narcissistic.
hell in college i knew a diagnosed autist, funny enough the guy i immediately got along with.... but yeah he was always a bit of a braggart on knowledge, which his things he came up with wernt really very high knowledge but the rest of the people in the class must have been dumb anyway as they was impressed even though i clearly spotted this knowledge he spouted in particular actually came from pokemon lol