Narcissism Vs Autism

One of many on this topic:  https://www.thoughtsonlifeandlove.com/the-difference-between-narcissism-and-autistic-spectrum-disorder-asd/

From the list of Effects, I cannot understand why Narcissism would be popped on to the Spectrum as it presents as a NT Psychotic. According to research I've been diving into for the last 6 years, these 2 categories exist: ND or NT, though 1. it's not Black and White but 2.these are based on specific variables, and I persoanlly would add 'Capitalist' into NeuroNormative A.K.A. NeuroTypical. 

According to ongoing research (from Felix Guattari to Franchesca Happe) in extreme cases each can become or tend toward: 

Schizophrenic < NeuroDivergent OR NeuroTypical > Perverse / Psychotic

other research I've found has suggested the Shizophrenic is in a Defensive Mode where the Psychotic is in an Offensive Mode. Both are in a very intense state of survival.  

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I've occasionally encountered individuals with this bullet-like fist-pounding demand for truth. Arrogant, dismissive, but info-duming BUT with that spaced out sensory overload pause autistics can be happily guilty of. That sort of rebooting checked out vacancy that feels refreshing and spooks NTs out a bit. They seem driven but not always present. And wildly wrong in rather presumptous ways... I cannot make sense of these sort of individuals and I would like to for a matter of safety. I encounter them occasonally. Of course I went through times where I was naive, driven, intense, a bit much, not communicating or taking in language correctly, but was always grateful for advice or correction even if it was a painful or difficult process. One thing that held back the abilty to just learn and grow was feeling unprotected and fighting to just survive. 

As someone who has been analytical since I can remember, I like knowing what I'm working with or getting into before I commit. I don't like surprises or making promises I cannot keep. Therefore always making fine adjustements, fine-tuning, corrections, re-design, re-orderings - essentially being 'open' is how I establish a sense of centring. And feeling grounded on a chaotic planet is primary. The last thing I would like to do is trip over 'my (insufficient) truth'.

I also don't want to use a term like this frivolously. Individuals can call themselves 'Spetrummy' but it doesn't carry the weight or judgement of Narcissism. 

The bottom line is, with Autism still in a nebulous phase of research, when things get muddled up, the wrong representation can cost jobs. Errors in judgment from misrepresentations create very grave consequences. 

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  • I now know, in RL, an awful lot of autistic people, and I've yet to meet one that thinks they're better, or smarter, then other people (though I'm sure there are some dotted about.  They're just not the norm). They often *are* smarter than 95% of the room, but they don't have that air about them. I think there are narcissists in all realms of life, and I don't think there are any more narcissists in the autistic community, percentage-wise, then in the ND world. I do think a lot depends on one's perspective. If you enter a room expecting to be hated, spoken down to, or otherwise generally disrespected, then whether that actually happens or not, you'll think it has. It's a victim mentality. As an aside, before I developed a chronic illness, I was very fit, and trained for years as a martial artists, I had my black belt and some dan grades (I'm not going to say how many). I never once felt that I was hated, disliked or anything else, if I mentioned what I did to anyone. I didn't have the feeling that I was a victim and that people were going to have a go at me, so they didn't. I received a little respect sometimes, but usually people didn't bother one way or the other, which is as it should be, because it's not a big deal. I do wonder how, when autists are so bad at gauging other people's feelings and reactions, that one can know how a room feels as a whole when they make an announcement. I knew because people continued to be friendly, no one said anything derogatory. But maybe there's some secret underground code that only NTs can recognise so it went right over my head. Who knows? Lol! 

  • I had been accused of being a snob, aloof when I was younger. Not recently. I didn't think I was better than anyone else, had very low self esteem, it was just my masking. Trying to look intelligent, look like I understood everything while being in complete state of confusion about everything and everybody.

  • Yes especially after birthday parties the kids would tell me their Mums said that about me. Which is pretty effed up if you think about it really

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