Asperger Syndrome should be replaced by Grunya or Sukareva Syndrome

A Russian Jewish child Psychiatrist wrote notes on Autism in 1925 nineteen years before Hans Asperger.   Her name was GRUNYA SUKHAREVA..  Calling it Asperger Syndrome is not even accurate as Hans Asperger discovered it nineteen years later.  He probably read what she wrote but did not mention it as he was a member of the Nazi party so he could not admit a Jew had discovered it nineteen years earlier and by 1944 Germany was at war with Russia.  We should call it either GRUNYA OR SUKHAREVA SYNDROME AFTER HER.  It would not be any more difficult to pronounce than Asperger or sound any stranger.  Hans Asperger was a member of the Nazi party accused of sending disabled children to be murdered in Vienna as the *** were great believers in  EUTHANASIA for disabled people.  The *** did not only murder Jews they also murdered lots of disabled people Gypsies Gay people.

  • I have not heard of this one before. You might just be a one-off exception.

    Over the years I have encountered numerous people who were referred to psychologists in the 1980s and early 1990s that were later (after 1995ish) diagnosed with AS but none of them had previously been diagnosed with any form of autism.

    Published literature from the 1970s about mild autism as the precursor to what (after 1991) became recognised as Asperger Syndrome is scant. There was no evidence that AS was being co-discovered slowly and gradually in Britain.

    People with AS most definitely are not brain damaged.

  • No they were aware that people could be Autistic with few traits in 1966 a Psychiatrist wanted to send me to an Autistic school.

    My Mother refused to send me to one as she did not believe I was Autistic. I went to the local Primiary.

    I was told in 2009 that a Psychiatrist put on my notes in 1976 that I have mild Autism so that is why the NHS considers me to have Asperger Syndrome. In 1976 mild Autism was the equivalent to Asperger Syndrome.  A family therapist said that I am as I am not because I was not brought up severely enough but because I have Asperger Syndrome in answer to my Father.  I asked in 2009 how the family therapist knew that I have Asperger Syndrome.  The GP explained that she must have gone by the notes of mild Autism written in 1976.  We have gone full circle and they will probably use words like Mild Autism Hight Functioning Autism Autistic Traits.  The last one i think is the best as many Asperger people were not really Autistic but brain-damaged.

  • I still say that I have Asperger's Syndrome!

    I'm old School. Slight smile

    People should learn to mind their own business.

  • It depends on the trust. There is a conflict in the NHS between whether the tried, tested, trusted ICD-10 (which every doctor and nurse has access to) or the newfangled DSM-5 (which only those specialising in mental health and psychiatry usually have access to) should be used.

    Also, DSM-5 is expensive which drains NHS budgets and ultimately taxpayer's money.

  • The use of AS has diminished in Britain but it's still in use. AS is in ICD-10 which is a current publication still used for carrying out diagnoses.

    Are you trying to imply that Tony Attwood was writing falsehood about a nonexistent condition?

    Are you trying to turn the clock back to the 1980s when people with AS were considered to have nothing more than behavioural problems because no existing medical condition explained their traits, and they did not meet the criteria for autism them?

  • I'd be for this is it could be proven. Unfortunately Aspergers is no longer in use in the UK so there would be nothing to replace. Although maybe it could be in other parts of the world that still use that term.

  • Now that the US has adopted ICD-10 then I wouldn't be surprised if Asperger Syndrome is restored for DSM-6. More money for the APA!

  • Wrong, The NAS took advantage of DSM-5 and the findings about Hans Asperger in 2018 in order to get out of Asperger syndrome because they fully well knew that they provided a lousy service for people with the condition.

    The truth is that the NAS is a government service provider more than a charity, and they are only interested in children who meet the criteria for NAS run schools and anybody who requires residential care services, because there is plenty of public money for this but none for people with AS.

    Autism was ruled out for me before I found out about AS. The same situation applied to other people with AS I have encountered over the years. Referring to AS as mild autism only appeared (in Britain at least) after AS became known about in the early 1990s, and did not happen in the 1970s.

  • I don't know if you're aware but the US education system 'churns' the reference books every year so students cannot use older versions - it's a multi-billion $$ scam.      They force their DSM system so no other reference material is allowed.         The books are surprisingly expensive for what is effectively a shuffling of chapters.      It's nothing to do with Asperger, it's a money-making scam.

    The shtick is if you don't agree, you're a sympathiser - basic emotional blackmail.

  • The US was the first to get rid of the term Asperger long before it came out that Hans Asperger helped with the Euthanasia policy.  Here in London, the NAS changed the name from Asperger United to Spectrum of a magazine because Hans Asperger was discovered to be complicit in the murder of disabled people.  The term Asperger in the US was got rid of in DSM5 but other countries continued to use it.  The rest of the world is following the US so the term Asperger would have gone without the controversy as they want to make Autism one spectrum.  The problem with that how does one label people with Autistic traits who are not really Autistic?  Some of those could really be brain damaged and not really Autistic.  I fell out of a pram when I was a baby and had a difficult birth. I have perception problems which means I cannot recognize people and I get lost.  In 1976 a Psychiatrist said I was mildly Autistic that is how I came to have the label, Asperger.  I expect they are going back to the label mildly Autistic.

  • I must be clear Hans Asperger was not accused of helping the Hilter kill Jews.  He is accused of sending disabled children to be murdered in a Clinic in Vienna. He helped Hitler with his Euthanasia policy so it is not really a Jewish issue whether a Syndrome should be named after Hans Asperger.

  • Well in this case more to the point is the NHS has largely stoped using it.

  • Only in the US that uses DSM. AS exists in ICD-10 that is still current. It technically exists as a distinct condition in ICD-11.

  • Hans Asperger was a member of the Nazi party

    Member? Evidence please!

  • Lol exactly 

  • I grew up watching moon landings and Skylab - and the German Socialists had Hugo Boss doing their uniforms!  Smiley      Tyranny with style!  Smiley

  • Lol it's funny obviously the *** where bad but you cannot take away the fact they were ahead of their time with science and warfare the allies learned an awful lot from the germans back then.

  • He was the good guy?  Smiley

  • SJWs have to much time on their hands.  Smiley      While they buy their BMWs, Mercs, Skodas, Bosch etc.equipment - and polish their halos.   Smiley

  • he also murdered Germans

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