Why is it so hard to make friends if you try so hard to fit in?

If you put a lot of time and effort into making friends and other people say you are so sweet and nice but don't tend to develop close friendships with you, what can you do? I feel like people still don't want my company because 99 out of 100 people find me uninteresting and extremely boring. My interests and their interests are so different but what can I do? I don't want to pretend I care about stuff I don't know anything about. I have tried to broaden my horizons. Instead of gaining interest in new things, I've even lost interest in what I used to care about. As you get older, things can get lonely even without autism. I wish there was a way to meet like-minded people in person instead of feeling like the odd one out in social situations. Sometimes I observe how some NTs who put very little effort into friendships excel at maintaining friendships. I always try to do so much for people, I am a real people-pleaser and in a way, they like me but not as a friend, I am more of like a co-worker who helps them a lot but they wouldn't want to spend their free time with me. I have also noticed numerous times with many people that I have great one-on-one conversations but when another person arrives, the conversation continues between those 2 people with me being marginalised and eventually left out of the conversation as if I was only good to talk to when there isn't someone better around. I still don't understand why these things happen. I have always thought people like to be pleased and never argued with. I often bite my tongue and allow others to have things their way. What is good enough if that isn't?    

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  • I used to be concerned and like you, make quite a lot of effort to try to make friends, but no matter how hard that I tried, I found they were what I call "Surface friends". I did end up with the odd closer friend but I do tend to only see them once or twice a year incase I somehow overdo it and mess up our friendship? I have learnt to do this with people who I count as close friends. The friends one gets just a few times in ones lifetime. 

    Surface friends... I have lots of these. People you may know and meet but don't get close to. Each one is valued even though I remain at a distace from them.

    Now I have learned some things in life. I gave up a long time ago trying to fit in. No matter how hard I tried to fit into social circles like other people seem to do, I find I am always an outsider to the group even if I am supposed to be in the group. I feel I am treated like a pet dog rather then a human as they enjoy my presence, but I seem to be left out of conversations or sidelined? 

    Ooh. I get what you describe very often, where one is having a nice one to one conversation but another person comes along and its as if you are not there? And one is expected to just stand there and be part of things without saying a word? I have learned to walk away and let them carry on. 

    Now here in Wales everyone tends to talk about the weather. Now to me I just look outside and whatever we get we have. So as I wanted to try to fit in, I made quite an effort to learn all about clouds and the weather. It was not my subject  but one has to make the effort, even if it is a bit tough going to study something one is not really interested in. So I spent a few days trying to give myself a crash course and trying to remember all the clouds etc., so when someone started talking about the weather I could be included. 

    Uhmm. It disn't exactly work. The conversation started with the usual "How are you?" (I answer a standard OK no matter how I feel... Oh... I learned a long time ago not to say how I feel), and then the other person started to talk about the weather, so with my new found knowledge, I started to point to every cloud I could see and talk about them... And the other person just looked at me with their mouth open and didn't say a word. 

    I wasn't sure what to do so I made an excuse and said something like "I'm going now" and dissapeared quick to save myself some embarissment. Somehow I have missed something about this weather lark! 

    How come people want to talk about the weather, but then when I talk about their favourite subject they seem not to know much about it? I really don't get it! 

    But anyway. I do get where you are coming from. I have had the same for many years. I can have good conversations on a one to one if I can sway the subject to one I like (And they like) but in a group of people, somehow, I am excluded. The only exception to this is if I am a group leader. One of those people who is valued, but is not part of the general chit chat in the group... Or if I am in a group but have my own specialist area of expertize so it is aknowledged that I don't have to function and do the same things as everyone else. 

    Anyway. I hope that by knowing that you are not alone in your thoughts and feelings, that it brings comfort to you. :) 

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  • I used to be concerned and like you, make quite a lot of effort to try to make friends, but no matter how hard that I tried, I found they were what I call "Surface friends". I did end up with the odd closer friend but I do tend to only see them once or twice a year incase I somehow overdo it and mess up our friendship? I have learnt to do this with people who I count as close friends. The friends one gets just a few times in ones lifetime. 

    Surface friends... I have lots of these. People you may know and meet but don't get close to. Each one is valued even though I remain at a distace from them.

    Now I have learned some things in life. I gave up a long time ago trying to fit in. No matter how hard I tried to fit into social circles like other people seem to do, I find I am always an outsider to the group even if I am supposed to be in the group. I feel I am treated like a pet dog rather then a human as they enjoy my presence, but I seem to be left out of conversations or sidelined? 

    Ooh. I get what you describe very often, where one is having a nice one to one conversation but another person comes along and its as if you are not there? And one is expected to just stand there and be part of things without saying a word? I have learned to walk away and let them carry on. 

    Now here in Wales everyone tends to talk about the weather. Now to me I just look outside and whatever we get we have. So as I wanted to try to fit in, I made quite an effort to learn all about clouds and the weather. It was not my subject  but one has to make the effort, even if it is a bit tough going to study something one is not really interested in. So I spent a few days trying to give myself a crash course and trying to remember all the clouds etc., so when someone started talking about the weather I could be included. 

    Uhmm. It disn't exactly work. The conversation started with the usual "How are you?" (I answer a standard OK no matter how I feel... Oh... I learned a long time ago not to say how I feel), and then the other person started to talk about the weather, so with my new found knowledge, I started to point to every cloud I could see and talk about them... And the other person just looked at me with their mouth open and didn't say a word. 

    I wasn't sure what to do so I made an excuse and said something like "I'm going now" and dissapeared quick to save myself some embarissment. Somehow I have missed something about this weather lark! 

    How come people want to talk about the weather, but then when I talk about their favourite subject they seem not to know much about it? I really don't get it! 

    But anyway. I do get where you are coming from. I have had the same for many years. I can have good conversations on a one to one if I can sway the subject to one I like (And they like) but in a group of people, somehow, I am excluded. The only exception to this is if I am a group leader. One of those people who is valued, but is not part of the general chit chat in the group... Or if I am in a group but have my own specialist area of expertize so it is aknowledged that I don't have to function and do the same things as everyone else. 

    Anyway. I hope that by knowing that you are not alone in your thoughts and feelings, that it brings comfort to you. :) 

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  • Mountain Goat, your story about the weather made me smile. From what I’ve learnt you’ve sort of missed the point with weather chat. Most people couldn’t give two monkeys about the weather. It’s about being able to pat themselves on the back to say they engaged with someone else even though they might prefer not to. The weather is just a constant nonsense topic that is available to everyone. It’s a bit like the “Hi, how are you” comment. All people want to hear is “Hi, I’m good thanks” I got caught out by this once, because the woman I asked said” Not great really” then told me all about her terrible weekend. I think its why I avoid social chit chat, because it has weird unwritten rules I don’t understand all the time.