Unsure of who is a troll and who isn't?

The big issue here is can the new government get Brexit done in a manner that will not burn all our boats. I'm not yet convinced that Brexit is such a wonderful idea, given that it will inevitably involve sucking up to Trump's failed state. (But I have no options open to do anything about it, so yet again I will just have to sit this government out without any indication that things might eventually take a turn for the better.) So the government now has carte blanche to do its best or its worst. This is their big opportunity to do something constructive for a change. But it was always clear that their intention was to keep lying to the electorate, in the naive hope that no one would ever notice their Cummings-inspired craziness. I doubt they are capable of putting the great back into anything. The empire is long gone, and it was a horrible monstrosity anyway. It is doubtful that we will remain in the UK much longer too. The governing party are now just as ensnared in crass ideology as Labour.

The person on the street might well have very little idea about his/her own long-running descent into serfdom, but I see plenty of evidence that they know they are still continually being lied to on this issue (and many others). For English voters, there was never any real choice involved. I still haven't figured out what the hell Corbyn was trying to do, so it was inevitable really that the Workingtons felt soiled by their extremely poor set of options.

In some ways I'm actually quite glad that as a long-term expat I have been disenfranchised; as I never felt at any point  during the campaign that there was any current party I would be happy to vote for.

I also don't fully buy your argument about global-warming as a scam, as I can see numerous examples of environmental degradation here, every day of the week. But take note that the 'inconvenient truth' came to us from a Democrat; another failed state antagonist.

There's loads of reasons for this.    

It was recognised the the British people would be most resistant to the EU project so we've been systematically lied to since the start - while our politicians (of all types) have done everything possible to destroy all that is British.

I believe Thatcher was an EU lapdog - it was the early years of the 'European Project' and under its rules, all nationalised businesses were to be sold off to each other countries so no country could be independent from its neighbours.    Maggie did as instructed - but no-one else did.   Our industries were decimated and Blair finished it all off with the installation of all the 'ism and 'ist laws to quell dissent and giving away our gold and stealing all the pension funds.

The man on the street is on the 'Journey to Serfdom' - but most haven't realised yet.

It's already a disaster. :

Unfortunately. the vast majority of us have never really seen any improvement since the 70s. The decline has continued unabated ever since.

I'd love to chat you you about all this - but the answers are complicated and interrelated and too wordy to put on here.   In brief:

Sweden is a good example - they operated for many years on the balance of very high taxes but high social cohesion and good safety-nets - it worked like one huge family with nobody taking more than their fair share.   Their static population meant it was finely balanced.

Unfortunately, their recent 'population imports' have increased the population by 30% and all they do is take and not contribute.    Their financial system now cannot afford to heat old-people's homes - ministers suggest lots of cardigans.      There is growing resentment to the people known as 'outsiders' (best translation of the Swedish word) so things are going to dramatically change there in the next few elections.

Here, the councils outsourced social care - often to companies set up by friends and family of council members - so they pay crazy amounts to the managers of these companies - but they employ the cheapest possible staff who are incapable of doing their job.   Huge profits & back-handers make it continue - and nobody from the council ever inspect so it continues.

Lincolnshire is huge and has loads of roads and verges and buildings to maintain - and not enough people to pay for it all - something has to give.     My brother lives there - he likes it - very rural - almost frontier land.

That's not the cut that would hurt the most people. That would be cutting the social care budget.  That's the very last thing that a council will cut. Hence the streetlight cut.  Still my friend ( A disabled woman under 45) had to wait years to get the help she needed. She also has the cheek to oppose the Conservative Party. Just WHAT is the poor woman thinking.

You see that Panorama showing the violent mistreatment of Autistic people in care? What did you make of that?

The total population of Lincolnshire is around 1 million people all told. Did you mean population density?  What has population density got to do with total tax take?  Or Income as you frame it?

"No money left"  That old chesnut.  Well if you look at the way other countries are run they have way more money to invest in human beings.   The history of Scandinavia for example.  Why can't we run our country in that manner?  The answer comes back to the British and their love affair with the Conservative Party i'm afraid. Low taxes , low spending and an angry and vulnerable populace.  Not to mention the lost and wasted human capital.  Did you know that 85 percent of Autistic people do not even live independently?  Think of what they will never be able to contribute to British Society!

Whenever councils make cuts, they ALWAYS choose the one that will hurt the most people so they can blame someone else.

Lincolnshire is the least-populated county in the UK so they have the most difficulty balancing income against liabilities - and as council salaries and pension liabilities have risen so much in the last 20 years, there's no money left to do anything - and it's only going to get worse.

Cut's in public expenditure from central government?  In Lincolnshire we don't even run the streetlights at night anymore.  Local government expenditure is decided centrally ever since Thatcher got spooked by the advent of needs budgets. Set by Liverpool and Lambeth  Labour councils in the 80's. Councils do not operate in a political vaccum.  I'm afraid it's obvious to me that cuts are to blame for the reduction in Library hours.  I can ask the people who work there for a starters.  But if you were to blame cuts you would no longer be able to sustain your belief in a small state or the Conservative Party. So you'll blame anything else.   It's all a conspiracy by the Librarians union or some such.

It's actually the Victorian Capitalist Philanthropists who started most of the social services we see today -  art galleries, parks etc.    The local councils just took them over and, recently, see them as valuable plots of land to be sold to developers.    This is why they reduce their opening hours until no-one uses them so they have the excuse to close them - or sell them off to a business to do the same thing without the blow-back - "not our fault - blame the nasty capitalists" they all shout.

I'm reading about the Frankfurt School and it's interesting.  I doubt you will be able to sway me over the  right however.

Would you agree that the public library system in this country is a product of socialism rather than the free market?  That's what i think of when i think of socialism.  There is no slippery slope between that and the gulag.  

It's a ramping-up process - the next 'socialists' to gain power will turn the UK into a disaster - and, luckily, most people realised this time.  They have been pushing the Frankfurt School 11-point plan for the last 30 years - you can see the results of it everywhere.   Unfortunately, the worst student-commies of the 70s are now in high positions of power so it is being enforced through the courts with the endless financial backing of a certain Hungarian billionaire. 

I'm fairy sure there's a difference between the social democratic settlement in Britain between 1945 and 1979 and the soviet bloc.  I'm also dead certain that their is distinction to be made between polticians such as Attlee and genocidal monsters such as Pol Pot.  Perhaps as a historian you can fill me in on the similarities .

I would like to see that only the registered users can see the forum and to read the threads and the messages.

Socialist politics seem to be mainly confined to those under 45 in this country now.  People say i will grow out of it but those people are wrong.

I fear you're right - kids today have no clue how bad it used to be in the UK in the 70s - and absolutely no idea what socialism meant in Eastern Europe.    They have a naive, romantic view of a 'hippy-trippy' 'everyone sharing' wonderful world of communism.     But there's sooo many of these deluded fools that I think it will all go that way in a few years when they vote in increasing numbers for the next Pol Pot.

I think it would benefit all (genuine) parties to lose the temporary names asap.  If I can remember a name, I can remember more of the background to an individual's queries and my responses will probably be more helpful.  All of these NASXXXXX names merge into one in my head so the continuity is lost or I have to waste time doubling back to check whether this was the same person that said that or whether this is something new (or even just trolling).  To me this means that this online community doesn't pull together quite as well as it might.  It erodes my confidence.    

Feel free to help out a struggling young man by listing what these better obsessions are.  I have one senior relative left who i can't really engage with and receive advice or guidance from.  I left school at a horrifically early age so no guidance for me from there either.  Everyone loves guidance right?

Being alone in the world and on the spectrum is not the best thing.  Self reliance can be wearying.

The last 4 years for me have been watching the Left try and Destablish the Labour party.  2017 GE  gave me a mild boost as Lab got 40 percent plus of the vote. Of course the party hasn't been fully destablished  yet and the more destablished it becomes the more the media will try to crush it as an outlet for ordinary people and their woes.  Can the party be fully destablished? Can it be fully deestablished and win elections? Will it immediately revert to a media friendly leader and try and win that way?  The old Blair method.  Christ what  a world full of power games and human suffering.

Destablished isn't a real word you know. haha

Maggies vision of no society comes more and more to pass the longer her doctrines hold sway.  It is almost fully embedded in peoples lives now. They are now fully atomized and when i try to tell them that politics can help them i may aswell as be talking in Swahili.  2019 UK reaction to Lab Manifesto. "What?  I can have stuff? From Politics? I don't believe you"

I have no problem with any of that. I haven't yet grown out of being rabidly anti-tory. That's what often happens when you work for rabid tories who like to think they are doing you a favor. I used to live in one of the poorest areas of England. Looking back on how messed up the education system was in that area, it was always going to be a cert that I would turn out to be somewhat of an anti-establishment troll. But the establishment these days is wider than any one party, and as Margaret Thatcher said in her infamous speech at Botley Grange, she despised Tony Blair even more for admiring the madness in her own method. That made me despise Margaret even further. And wonder why Blair ever bothered to have any respect for that notorious old reprobate. No such thing as society, Margaret!? Now that must be a bit of a bummer if you have just been launched into so-called high society!

But as you say, there are better obsessions in life.

There are groups that i have been to before.  I should go again.  I am worried that i'm a genuine misanthrope.  I want to be a humanist but the world makes me tend towards misanthropy.  I've started to associate humans with drama ,pain and suffering for me. I recoil from pain and suffering.  Therefore i recoil from humans.

Socialist politics seem to be mainly confined to those under 45 in this country now.  People say i will grow out of it but those people are wrong. Did you know that in 1983 the majority of the young voted for Thatcher? I'm talking statistics now. So there is really no direct comparison to be made between the 1983 GE and the 2019 one. The media will try and make one though.  You raised politics so you're getting to hear from me now.  It's a special obsession that i sometimes wish i didn't have.  I should have gotten into plant photography.  Much more serene.

I also agree.