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PIPped off people.

Justanothernobody

It seems few are happy with PIP. It also appears you have to be able to be VERY organised and VERY supported to get payments. What about the ones who cannot manage to form fill, or cannot perhaps exaggerate even, cannot be ultra organised or flexible and who don’t have human support? 

Why do people who overspend habitually on non essential stuff merit more payments due to debt?

Surely the government would do better to withdraw the PIP scheme and go back to providing food and fuel vouchers and services? 

Carers for the housebound. Day centres for those able to go on provided transport. Money management classes for those who need to learn. Counselling for those with poor mental health. Food vouchers instead of cash for addicts. 

All these could help prevent isolation and suicide. The latest iPhone won’t. Why does the government think chucking money at the loudest, sometimes most violent people solves any problems? They need anger management supervision. 

Rents are far too high. Uncontrolled. HB no longer covers most rents. Could they not give extra rent vouchers? 

The PIP money doesn’t pay enough to cover buying in care for the terminally ill. It just isolated them more. 

Is money really more important than life?

Please tell me your views. I know it can’t change the system, but I’m genuinely interested in people’s opinions. Plus I know I will have overlooked a lot of things, such as transport concessions for those in genuine need. Help for those in work. Any more? 

  • in reply to Plastic

    It’s personal experience. My alcoholic friend was given extra money to boost her nutrition. She could then afford spirits as well as cheap cider. Another acquaintances husband would regularly smash and replace expensive phones. He got PIP for being violent. A terminally ill friend with mental health problems needed to buy in care and a cleaner. Instead she bought and broke expensive phones too, replacing and multiplying them. Nobody called from mental health services. I could list more, but you can see it’s my life experience. 

    Yes, your priorities are obviously very different to mine. I make no apology. 

  • in reply to Justanothernobody
    Justanothernobody said:
    Others get awarded, but don’t use it for the intended purpose. 

    That's an unbelievably pious judgement - who are you to decide how people spend their money?   Your priorities are probably very different to mine.

  • in reply to Plastic

    All of which makes me intensely sad. I’ve been advised to grab all I can and not worry about other people, but I’m afraid that goes against the grain for me. I honestly only want what I need. Many people do get just that. Others don’t receive enough. Others get awarded, but don’t use it for the intended purpose. 

  • in reply to Justanothernobody

    Once you start to see the inner workings and calamitous, incompetent management and the way these things are run, you see where all the waste is.   

    As with lots of government contracts, they are kept deliberately chaotic - because where there is chaos, there is profit - for the few.

    You only need to see stories about care homes charging 30k per week per patient to see who is scamming the system.     There is PLENTY of money sloshing around - but none for those who need it.

  • in reply to Former Member

    They are good points. I wonder if it could be possible one day? 

  • in reply to Justanothernobody

    I’m sorry if you don’t think any of my suggestions sensible. There’s a long wait for mental health care. There are seriously disabled people left alone at home all day. 

  • Former Member
    Former Member

    I only use my PIP payments for the additional costs being labelled by society causes me. As such, I often feel peeved too when people clearly state they are using the payments to simply increase their standard of living and not using it for the additional costs they claim they have. If the system was stricter, such as vouchers, or re-reimbursement for the extra costs incurred like the DSA, sadly I think there would be a decline in people applying.

    Personally, I'd rather more see more funding put into education and regulations to make the world more accessible rather than paying claimants for additional costs caused by unsuitable conditions that, in the case of many autistics, are often constructed by society. For example, I incur extra costs due to suffering sensory overload and this impact could be significantly reduced if my working environments (including the need to travel using public transports, especially in London) were better designed.

  • in reply to Plastic

    Surely there’s a limit to the amount of money total they can award? It cannot be a bottomless pot. In my experience there are many people who need more help and don’t get it. Often they don’t get PIP either. 

  • in reply to Justanothernobody

    There's nothing wrong with the PIP system - it's people like ATOS and the others who are manipulating the poor sods who have to apply for it.

  • in reply to Plastic

    No it’s for real, Plastic. Looking at the whole PIP system, for everyone it should include. Just wondering if there could be a better system FOR EVERYONE who needs support. 

  • Are you for real?      Is this just a trolling post or are you having a laugh?