I was diagnosed with Asperger's about 17 years ago. Sometimes I notice ADD traits in myself.
I've got 4 books on the go at once, it's rare for me to focus on one thing.
When I'm online I'll have about 25 tabs open at the same time. I struggle to remember what I'm interested in or doing because I keep thinking of something else I want to do. That's why all the tabs are open, to remind me of things I've been doing or reading about.
Would this indicate I should seek a diagnosis of ADD or is it a standard overlap that many people experience?
I seem to have some ADD traits. I mentioned this to someone and their immediate reaction was that I was definitely not ADHD. But, you know, the more I reflect on my childhood, the more I detect hidden moments of intense hyperactivity, largely away from the gaze of family. So you might also want to consider ADHD, because you might as well see the whole picture for yourself; even if you never talk to specialists about it.
When I had an assessment, I would say it was quite clear to both myself and the diagnostician that I probably had quite a list of comorbidities; but none exactly acute. The diagnostician decided to only use the label Asperger's/ASD. The given reason was that as I live very far afield, a long list of associated issues might lead local ASD-unaware GPs into trying to treat only the stated side issues; given that they wouldn't know where to start on ASD, but would feel that they could do something about something like ADD; such as medication. Neither of us would consider medication a good idea, especially as I've experienced decades adapting, reasonably successfully, to my side issues.
I think you will find that the suggested overlap is quite commonly acknowledged by both specialists and their subjects. I doubt that it would be worth seeking a further diagnosis. It is probably enough to self-identify as such, and just keep going with the adaptations you have detailed.
I have 63 tabs open right now.
I plan to do things, then the planning gets in the way.
Then I make a list to make sure I don't forget anything.
Then find the list I made earlier!
I think my worst trait is something like this:
My favourite trick is not to get dressed. And I have in days and out days, or nothing gets done.
I see your point about how secondary diagnoses could distract attention from the most important one.
As you say it's good to be self-aware. I also wouldn't think medication would be a good idea for me due to immune system issues.
Wow. I write notes instead of lists and I have them in different places on my floor reminding me to do things, and then I start making a plan of when to tidy them all up and put them away, and finish all the to dos. My brain seems to rebel against going in a straight line.
This sounds exactly like me trying to get anything done in the house. It’s due to an ASD + ABI combo. It’s certainly interesting how comorbids can interact with each other.
It’s interesting that you’ve mentioned this as I often pick up on ASD traits in people with an ADHD diagnosis. I think that it’s relatively common for the two to occur together.
It might be worth researching how ASD and ADD present together in the same person and see if that describes how you are.
Although medication is first line action with ADHD, it's only one option going forward. 10% of ADHDers don't respond to medication treatment, and another 10% can't tolerate the side effects (I seem to be one of the former). Meds are helpful in order to help put into place non-med support (eg meditation, diet, exercise etc) but not obligatory. I think it's always worth seeking a diagnosis, if only to confirm/refute your own suspicions. The hyperactivity side can present as chattiness (espec in, but not limited to, females), interrupting others, a racing mind and general restlessness. Important to recognise that the hyperactive element is also covered by impulsivity. I know several people with ADHD who would never be recognised as having the condition - but are diagnosed with it. I'd ignore most other people's comments: the general public have a very skewed idea of what ADHD looks like, based on the outdated stereotype of a 7-year-old boy bouncing off the classroom walls. And the majority of GPs are barely any better informed.If you're interested in seeking a diagnosis, then go for it. Try ADDitude - an American website but hugely informative and insightful, nonetheless. Otherwise, AADD-UK (the facebook page, not the website) is supremely helpful. Good luck!
Perhaps there are two types of ADHD. ASD led and pure ADHD.
Also, there are lots of types of ADHD.
1. hyper (mostly to be picked up because they fidget)
2. Deficit (looks like depression or avoidant personalities)
3. I dare you. The one that is most associated with boy racers and thrill seekers (most likely to be picked up)
The thing is that it's a lottery. Depends on your parents, your school, the judge ;D, your spouse, your doctor, the clinician.
And the longer you spend on the wrong medication, or the wrong diagnosis the worse things get. Until one day it's a small breakdown.
There needs to be more legal checks for these things. People should be required by law to follow up on education reports, poor work history, trouble at home.
There is only one type of ADHD (ADD is subsumed within it), but there are three types:a) hyperactive/impulsive (the one you describe as 'I dare you' - great description!)b) inattentive (a bit of a misnomer, as it's not an attention deficit, but attention dysregulation, ie you can't determine where your attention will focus. The fact that we can hyperfocus on things that stimulate us is evidence of this.)c) combined type - a mixture of the two.You do still need to have some of each type to get a diagnosis in the UK (even though DSM-5, from the American Psychiatric Association is used for a Dx). Regarding educational reports, poor work history, difficulties at home etc, all these are taken into account in the UK; you can only be diagnosed by an ADHD specialist here, which invariably means a psychiatrist with ADHD specialism. I think it's different in the States? (I'm guessing that's where you're from, Lagrangian? - but shout if I've got that wrong!)
Born and raised in the UK, taught in UK schools. And ignored in UK schools. It was finally suggested I was dyslexic in the final year of Postgraduate architect.I think you skipped over my point. It must have been weak. How the hell do you get picked up if no one is looking?As regards types of ADHD.You, me and Google disagree. The DSM has only three!
Attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder, combined presentation Attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder, predominantly inattentive presentation Attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder, predominantly hyperactive-impulsive presentation
The Vandelbilt says there are Four!
ADHD (inattentive sub-type): presentADHD (hyperactive sub-type): presentOppositional Defiant Disorder: not presentConduct Disorder: not present
Daniel G. Amen MD says there are seven.
Type 1: Classic ADD (ADHD)Symptoms include being inattentive, distractible, disorganized, hyperactive, restless, and impulsive. Procrastination can also be an issue.
Type 2: Inattentive ADDSymptoms include being inattentive and easily distracted (but not hyperactive), sluggish, and slow moving, with low motivation.
Type 4: Temporal Lobe ADDThis type includes classic ADD symptoms plus being irritable, quick-tempered and aggressive, and having dark thoughts, mood instability, and mild paranoia
Type 5: Limbic ADDThis type includes classic ADD symptoms plus chronic low-level sadness, but not depression. Negativity, "glass-half-empty syndrome," low energy, frequent feelings of hopelessness and worthlessness, and low self-esteem are other symptoms of this type.
Type 6: Ring of Fire ADDThis is a more extreme version of Classic ADD, plus being extremely distractible, angry, irritable, and overly sensitive to noise, light, clothes, and touch. People with this type are often inflexible, extremely verbal, oppositional, and have cyclic moodiness.
Type 7: Anxious ADDAnxious ADD includes classic ADD symptoms plus feeling anxious and tense, physical stress symptoms like a headache and stomachache, freezing when in situations that cause anxiety, and anticipating the worst.
Whats to bet we are all wrong someday. And no one will care.