Social services removing children from parents with ASD

No, I'm just genuinely struggling to read what you are saying because of your writing style. 

I've been autistic my whole life, I've been a social worker for far less time. What is really important to know is that depending on the role of a social worker, YOUR rights may not be their primary interest. For example, I've come from an adult social care background and first and foremost I represent the person who is being assessed, NOT their family. Sometimes their family members will want things that are in conflict with what the person wants or needs. Sometimes the person being assessed wants something different than what I advise. Advocates just strengthen the voice of the person they're working for and help them to express themselves. It's not a negative thing to involve an advocate at all. 

The benefit of adults having an advocate in children's proceedings is that they're focused on the parent's needs and feelings about what is happening, rather than the emphasis being on the child. 

It's really common for people to be angry at EVERY social worker when they've had a bad experience, but I genuinely try to share useful advice on this forum for people struggling with the social care systems. I'm not a children's social worker but my training covered it, and now I don't work as a social worker because I too had my own issues with the system. Advocacy services are independent to social services though and are a really valuable resource. It's optional though so if you don't want to explore that option of support then that's your decision. 

lol ok maybe the change of topic is difficult for u but if u break down each topic by yourself your understand  I stated people like u claim to be a voice for the voiceless.....I referred back to statements u have made too which u are unable to reply instead knowing autistic people suffer with sensory issues instead of wanting to clarify what is meant tell someone to seek an advocate when in fact if u was more empathetic and understanding you would of been able to understand what I meant but again like a normal sw time is limited etc etc so people who want to offload information are unable to as they have procedures and policies that they have to stick to which could be indirect discrimination in itself

An advocate would help you to share your views and to understand your rights in the system and what you need to do to challenge what they are saying about you. You refer to yourself as the voiceless, which is exactly what an advocate is for. It is very difficult to understand what you are trying to say in your messages so if you have the same difficulties verbally then it will benefit you that way too. Plus they are independent to social services so they are there for YOU and not the social worker's interests.

so u have stated that autism is not a reason in itself to have your child removed howeer u are diagnosed with autism due to you rbahiiur/actions so when then faced with a sw who has no professional experience or qualifications and relies on stereotypical views and discriminative opinions much lie hitler for example I have been classed by a sw as a black male with mental health

 u also go on to say I should as for an advocate they being there so I can challenge what a sw says and be heard why do I have to have an advocate and not be listened to anyway discrimination due to being autistic when un reality the sw needs help so they can understand the message a autistic person is trying to Coney. hope many sw don't write exactly what a asd says but put there own twist on it changing the context in which things are said coercively controlling and manipulating asd anxieties and beliefs also controlling behaviour if in a domestic relationship but professionals can get away with this. people in positions of power fail to accept that being a nice for the vocieless has never existed u can Make some depressed and demeaned by thinking your a nice for the voiceless when someone who I perfectly able to tell u how they feel and why but you are unwilling to take on boards u think u knowledge better normal nt behaviour. you may not of but you manager could of or colleagues and lack of whistleblowing due to discriminate behaviours is what a lot of sw lack due to not wanting to be a real nice for the voiceless which hLA policy caters for asd individuals who which sw framework assessment caters for asd parents 

Kicking anything in the household can be considered emotional abuse and/or violent. I have a real disdain for people that give autistic people a bad name by blaming violence on autism, like we all lack self-control. It is the rhetoric of journalists and defence lawyers to get a certain reaction from their audience, and generally very damaging to the rest of us. 

That being said, I'm glad you have your child back. I hope he has learned to control his outbursts so he isn't at risk of hurting himself or anyone else again. 

I still stand by that being autistic is not a reason in itself for social services becoming involved. Most of us who are parents will never have social services involved in our lives. There are usually a combination of factors, especially to meet thresholds of removing children which are actually very high (due to cost and availability of social care). I worked with adults and have never been able to just do what I want because I didn't like someone. It is a very difficult job. 

You take it I stayed with an abusive partner? Actually he’s not abusive never layed a finger on me or anyone. He was undiagnosed with autism and never new he had it at the time of our daughter being born. The whole new change lead him to having an outburst. I was not present at this time however I did walk into the house he was in and as he kicked a baby gate out the way of him it hit me. My ex partner was jealous that I moved on and filled the social a load of lies about him, moving forward to today we have heard a couple of social workers and professionals tell us it shouldn’t of went as far as it has. I do believe the social worker we had didn’t like us. We do have her back eventually 

That's horrible this is why we as Autistic people need to stand against the government in a peaceful protest bare in mind and protest are rights for equality. When I say this page dipresses me at times I don't mean in a negtitive way just in the sense that it's kind of heart breaking to see others like myself suffer for it and the fact humanity is still to cruel to care. When I see and here how were treated by others that aren't like us it's know wonder why half us end up feeling sucidel because it's hard to see a better tomorrow and a better future at times. 

your diagnosed with autism due to your behaviour/actions..... why would your child then not be removed by a professional with lack of training qualifications or knowledge around these behaviours which lead to neglect human abuse, suicides, and harassment from NT and relies on the stigmas and stereotypes associated with autism 

SIA training - domestic abuse two people in a relationship one trained in Sia restrains female under civilians arrest due to threat to his life until police attend sw not trained will class this as domestic abuse not a domestic incident. so u would understand that egos and personality clashes could lead professionals to become revengeful, spiteful and a Sw who didn't have conflict management and negotiation training could fail to realise and cause conflict due to not understanding a situation and thinking she's doing the right thing not one of 8 social workers have been willing to accept this as they always know best and don't need additional training 

I've never heard of anyone expecting a social worker to have SIA training! 

I personally have had autism training, safeguarding training AND conflict management training, amongst various other extensive training. I've even had breakaway training though thankfully my clients haven't tried to physically attack me. I agree that a lot of SWs don't understand autism well. We are expected to know a lot about everything, but that's why we don't work alone. 

I'd request an advocate if I were you, if you haven't got one already. 

it is a statutory obligation that Sw work with wider agencies when situations outside of their expertise arise not many sw do this due to that I know it all attitude if this was the case and peoples perceptions due to limited lived experiences and unwillingness or incapability to recognise a asd needs would be a blatant form of abuse and then to manipulate this due to their lack of qualifications is what's puts questions around the profession on a whole 

again manipulative but have not answered are Sw allowed to comment outside of their areas of expertise about secondary care issues that only a specialist can comment on due to their qualifications. its not about changing minds its about stating facts not opinions unless willing to have those opinions changed with knowledge but can see your unwilling to gain any knowledge or debate your opinion as a Swe probably will say argumentative again lack of conflict management skills this is where a Sw would put don't understand my concerns failing to engage cuz unwilling to accept responsibility for her lack of knowledge training or discriminate opinions reason why there is still racism and such going on easy to see 

exactly family courts do not take into account autistic traits like building trustful and honest relationships but would force them to work with a random court doctor and then further violate there healthcare rights of not being able to discuss this random professional observations and recommendations after one meeting. I have had 8 social workers over 1 year a Half while professionals claiming to be working with me and its me not working with them how can u build a rapport with some many workers who fail to have any conflict management skills or negotiation they dont know how to collaborate and do not accept responsibility for needing further training as went to uni and that section covered was sufficient enough even though there is much more than generalised information about autism. professionals ego do not allow them to raise awareness discrimination due to their lived experiences and perception online no matter how wrong or right that may be. I yet to see a SW with conflict management training negotitiaon training, SIA training safeguarding training. 

just cause your scared of a dark room I must be too and thats doesn't mean I have trauma I need dealing with could mean im more reliant than u more able to deal with stations that u more creative (autistic trait) lack of knowledge awareness and qualifications lead to opinions and stereotypes happy to accept your qualifications but accept they are not the best and if u was willing you could gain those qualifications but think u know it all so won't 

I did not say that they do not happen, I said that it is not a blanket experience of all autistic parents, hence why I feel that it is fear mongering. 

It is a good idea for anyone in the social care system to seek independent advice, whether from legal professionals or an advocacy service so their voice can be heard. 

Social workers don't work in isolation, they work with other types of professionals and they alone don't make the decision to remove children. There are so many factors that come into deciding to remove a child and they have to jump through so many hoops. 

I'm not going to keep posting in this thread because I'm not here to change the mines of people who are unhappy with their experience, I just want other autistic people to know that being an autistic parent doesn't automatically make people concerned about your children's wellbeing. 

I am sorry but unless you have experienced having your human rights violated by social services then you will not understand. Some local authorities are better than others, that said there are many autistic parents falling victim of unlawful removal of their children. I work with a team of independent professionals dealing with these cases. It's not public knowledge because the family courts are secretive. There's a catalogue of research which sheds more light on the extent autistic parents are having their human rights violated by social services.

Just because you have not experienced it doesn't mean it isn't happening nor does it mean people are fear mongering. I would like to say many of the cases I work on the parents involved simply asked social services for help and support and unfortunately this was not what was given. Social workers involved use the deficit model of autism to ensure children are removed, they also don't meet the needs of the autistic parents which essentially is setting them up to fail. 

Autistic people haven't been treated as they should and this is slowly becoming exposed for example Winterbourne scandal and the school scandal etc. These things do happen and they need to be exposed.

my first question would be should a SW who has no secondary care qualifications or professional experience be making any judgements that are based of stereotypes and stigmas and outside of their areas of expertise.

Do professionals upheld vulnerable adults rights. as mine were not I had SW and contact staff force me to wear a face visor at a contact centre then because of their lack of training and only NT awareness do not know how to deal with distressed behaviour to which they make out ASD individuals like my self are nt engaging or understand professional who win reality its the professionals failing to accept responsibility for their behaviour lack of conduct not raising unjust policies, not empowering service users these are statutory obligations to which SW are held to they appeared cuz as an autistic black individual I am classed as aggressive when I am articulating myself with facts not opinion as I have 35 qualifications professionals only qualified find it hard to debate with me only qualified in the limited areas telling me about my behaviour when I am conflict management and negotiation changed to which I then comment on ego, personality clash task interpendence these things Sw and professionals don't even know of due to lack of training so in your perception it is scaremongering but reality is Its fail to accept and draw attention to impacts on different ASD people.

What support is put in place for different ASD individuals 

what training is done so Sw know the difference between a ,meltdown and a tantrum 

what extra training are LA doing with the autistic society to stop this discrimination, torture and coercive power of organisations go unaddressed 

There is a lot of fear mongering in this thread. Many of us are autistic parents with absolutely no involvement with social services. I'm even a qualified social worker but not working in children's services, and my autism is declared to the regulator. 

Autism isn't a reason in itself to remove children from their parents, behaviour/actions are. I'm sure there are cases where processes haven't been followed properly BUT the social workers don't get involved for no reason in the first place. They don't just appear one day because they've found out that you are autistic. 

I take it you decided to stay with your abusive partner? When people do this, autistic or not, they often feel the victimised parent cannot protect their child. After all, you have chosen to take the risk of violence against yourself, but you have no right to accept that risk on behalf of a child, and they have to assume that someone with the lack of control to stop themselves being violent against their partner likely lacks the same control against anyone, including children. 

My mum was in an abusive relationship with my dad as a very young mum. She made the best decision for me and separated from him and had an injection against him from approaching us. Needless to say, social workers didn't need to remove me. 

This isn't a problem about autism, this is a problem about staying in an abusive relationship. It takes a lot of strength to walk away from any relationship, even a violent one. Especially when that person is the parent to your child. If you want to remain with him though then you will likely need to accept that they aren't going to return your child to you to be at risk of his violence outbursts. 

I am currently going through an appeal as my daughter  was put up for a placement order due to my autism they constantly said I was aggressive and being a black male athletically built and autism I am at a great disadvantage they refuse to accept responsibility for antagonising vulnerable adults by forcing them to wear a face visor during covid that neither protected anyone but only caused the wearer difficulties failing to understand the impacts of their threatening professional gaslighting and intimidating behaviour they manipulate and rely on the consequence and not the cause of the behaviour which would bring their behaviour into question easier to wind up a vulnerable adult then say look look how there being very pasive aggressive and dangerous and major causes of concern especially in a safeguarding role around children for an autistic person who has poor emotional regulation and the risky behaviours 

Hi I hope you don't mind me asking but how are you getting on with this as you sound like you are in the exactly same position as me, I've been accused of FII and all sorts, its really getting to me to be honest they have recommended my children go to dads even though most professionals feel Ive made positive progress, SW has been horrible to me since day one making sly comments etc even my kids dad's advocate has said she's playing cruel mind games with me, I just don't know what to do

Respectfully I disagree with this approach. Working as a civil servant in national government it’s been my observation that fixing broken systems and issues only really became a priority for ministers and senior civil servants when there was a real risk of reputational damage.

Law suits like these can do a lot of good because they can make big wigs fear for their jobs, which in turn can move the resources nessicery to improve the system.

the ‘system is imperfect and has limited resources so don’t take their money away’ argument fails when you realise the huge potential these law suits have to bring both external scrutiny and resources.