Failing to understand others

I have heard it said now that one of the major symptoms of Autism is failing to relate to, or understand others during communication.

Could anyone please be clearer and explain what exactly it is that they do not understand about others? And what they feel causes this inability to understand others?

Or, do you yourself feel that you do infact understand others, but the problem that causes you to act differently to how is generally accepted is something else, and that failure to understand others is infact attributed unfairlry towards you by misguided but well meaning professionals?

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    Occasional difficulties with communications were one of the things that finally led me to decide that I likely had autism.  I don't have any particular difficulties with language as such, although I do sometimes find putting my thoughts into words a bit of challenge.  I had however a number of occasions where I thought there was a clear and unambiguous understanding with people, but then they went and did different things.  At first I thought they were just being belligerent though they claimed they weren't and that I had misunderstood.  (Actually, I understood exactly what they said and could quote back the words but then they claimed I'd misheard or blah blah blah... (yeah right)).

    In the end I thought, lets assume for the sake of argument that they aren't just being bloody minded, and lets assume there's some other cause.  The only thing I could think is that somehow what I said was sometimes not being received properly by them, and what they said wasn't being received properly by me.  So it's like occasionally there's noise on the line or something.

  • So come 2018 "Occasional difficulties with communication" = Autism?

    The word Autism is derived from a word meaning "Mute" (does not speak), and is supposed to be apparent before aged 2 or 3. Yet now an Adult that feels they have occasional difficulties with communication with "friends" can now be diagnosed as suffering from the same disorder as those that may sit in an institution rocking in silence? Are you sure that while you are talking to your friends you are not just thinking of other things at the sametime or feeling a bit stressed because of it? why does it need to be Autism?

  • The word Autism is derived from a word meaning "Mute" (does not speak)

    Not so; it comes from the Greek "autos", meaning "self". It's a bizarre hang-over from long-outdated theories of psychology, originally referring to the self-centred fantasising assumed to be part of schizophrenia. It's arguable whether or not it's particularly apt for the condition which it now describes, though it would be tricky to change it now.

    Are you sure that while you are talking to your friends you are not just thinking of other things at the sametime or feeling a bit stressed because of it?

    I'm absolutely sure that I am thinking about other things...

    • What did that weird tone of voice just then mean? I should maybe scan my memory to see if I can identify it.
    • How long is it since I looked that person in the eye; should I do it again, now? Or would that be too much or too little?
    • What the hell is that annoying noise over there that my brain won't let me ignore?
    • What is this "it" that we're talking about? My brain hasn't finished processing the words from the previous couple of sentences, so I don't know what the "it" is referring to yet.
    • Oh. Oh. I just thought of something really interesting to say about that thing that someone mentioned ten minutes ago!
    • You said you felt emotion X about person Y because of event Z. How mystifying, I must try to work out why that would be; at my age, it would probably be seen as very rude or extremely stupid to ask.
    • How important was that last thing you said? Is it a throw away comment that I can forget completely, or should I remember it because it might be relevant later, or would it be a useful example to learn more about the art of conversation?
    • Arrgh. What am I doing with my hands; I might be flapping them! Someone might see! Quick. Check. No, I'm not. Phew!
    • I wish that person over there would shut up. Their words are getting jumbled up with yours, so the messages are getting mixed together.
    • Concentrate, concentrate, concentrate. Don't let your mind wander...just...um...er...what were we talking about again? Oh, yes, I remember. Dammit, how much did I just miss?

    I think about these things at all times during conversation; because I either can't help it, or because I have to think about them to have any hope of understanding or behaving appropriately. There is no instinct which tells me, no intuition, no gut feeling. I have to consciously process everything that my senses are taking in, and there's a lot to take in, because my sub-conscious sensory processing doesn't filter out all of the irrelevant details that I struggle not to be distracted by.

    I'm a lot more than a "bit" stressed out by this. My brain is constantly trying to juggle a dozen trains of thought all at once, and I could drop one at any moment. I can't stop my brain from doing this thinking, and even if I could, some of it is essential to regulating my social behaviour.

    why does it need to be Autism?

    It doesn't need to be, it's just one of the possibilities. There is a problem here, because autism is usually judged by behaviours observable from the outside, not by the attentional, sensory, perceptual, and cognitive processes which lead to these problems. I'm confident that I'm autistic because I understand now the kinds of brain functioning that have led to my social problems, not merely because of the presence of those social problems.

    I think you are quite right that paying attention to the right details at the right moment can improve understanding of facial expressions, one of voice, etc., and when taken in isolation, my skills are not too bad. However, the attentional, sensory and cognitive differences which I have make them inherently difficult to apply in real life - unfiltered sensory information bombards my brain to the point that I can't possibly focus my attention on the right thing at the right time because I can't locate it quickly enough in the mass of sensory input. Unlike a test in a lab, no-one ever stops the conversation to say; "look at my facial expression right now, it explains what I meant by that last sentence."

    For example; I often look like I'm not paying attention when actually I am - my eyes glaze over because both looking and listening at the same time overwhelms my brain's ability to form a coherent sense of what's going on, so I concentrate on listening and exclude visual information; that way, at least one channel of communication is relatively clear. When my brain is tired, the conscious thoughts which allow me to simulate eye-contact, keep an eye on my posture and gestures, etc. go out of the window, because I don't have the processing power for them, and combatting the attentional problems so that I can keep my mind focused on the conversation gets ever harder with each passing minute.

    This doesn't just impair the ability to form a picture of other people's intentions and motivations during a conversation. When you have lived your entire lifetime like this, it impairs the ability to learn about how people's intentions and motivations function and how they communicate them. There are none of the things I mentioned which a non-autistic person couldn't experience, and most do from time to time, usually under extreme circumstances. The difference for many autistic people is that they're the only way do to things which we have available, and we have never known any different, and never will.

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