Published on 12, July, 2020
Hello all
I was musing the other day on the roots of autism and two things struck me:
So both are potentially controversial theories and please we are trying to only look at scientific information and not conspiracy theories, my reason for saying this will become very clear in a moment.
Looking at the first point, whilst it had been comprehensively shown scientifically in multiple studies that there is not a direct link between vaccines and autism, and the original "research" that started that whole controversy was unscientific and unethical, there are still some important questions that remain. Autistics for instance, are far more likely than the neurotypical population to have a range of autoimmune medical conditions, such as Rheumatoid Arthritis, which is interesting as there is a small risk with every vaccination of an autoimmune reaction. Hence there is an interesting question as to why autistics are more autoimmune disease prone and does this make them more disposed to a vaccination reaction? So whilst they already had autism do the traits come out post vaccination due to an autoimmune reaction or is there not link or something more sinister?
As for two species, we know that all, but people of direct African decent, modern humans contain some neanderthal DNA. IS it possible though that autistics contain some other neanderthal DNA that makes them more neanderthal than human, hence two species in effect. We know that humans and neanderthals did copulate ad have cross-species babies, so its possible that they "live on". Think also what happens when one crosses a horse and a donkey, so what happens if one crosses a neanderthal and a human? Before dismissing it, think about it, think about the possibilities and what we could represent.
Cheers
Andy
Please Andy, writing absolute.nonsence. - Autism is a syndrome, it is not al illness you cant Catch it, You can't Cure it.,
It is the absolute Media interest Piffle of the Musings of your mind that some susceptible people, such as people with autism ( Not autistics ) might pick up on..My son aged 35 has been severely autistic from the day he was born. I have had to fight for him, since then. People with autism have a devastating condition. That can vary from Not being able to comprehend any Language despite being able to read and Write it, but not understand what they have written or read, or to imagian they are the result of interbreeding of early homkinoids. We are all the result of whatever was in the world before that. Infact we are all the result of Space dust. and at that the mind is open to consider anything.
I have been as gentle as possible with your musings which is your perogative, you are entitled to believe anything.
You are presumed to be on the Spectrum, Because I believe you are searching for what caused your autism. In the manner my very severly autistic son teaches himself to read at the age of 7 putting his 11 year old Brother to shame,and to pull his socks up. while not understanding what a word of what he has read or communition is about, for instance an autistic person may not understand "to Pull up their socks.". My son has been known to watch Bart Simpson in Russian - He does not understand Russian , but he is word perfect in the Simpsons, simply because he has seen the same cartoon hundreds of times.- The same goes for Bugs Bunny, Dangermouse etc.
Given Graham’s post I went and looked at some of your other posts. In one you talk about genetic pre-disposition to autism, but the talk about head injuries, particularly in womb, could cause them. Plus a few other things, that I would repeat, but I suspect we could all empathise and support you if only you’d be honest with us. According to your profile you are a retired civil engineer and according to your post on this threat you have a 35 year old extremely autistic son. So could it be that having worked all your life, fought for your son like a dutiful father you were looking forward to retirement but you still have to care for him, rather than he you, and that’s making you feel done? Might you be the one that’s looking for answers, as why else would you read this thread as a carer?
You are quiet presumptious. as I said I was being kind. As to my reasons to make contact with the NAS website a day or two ago, we as a family have been a NAS Life Member for over 30 years member . Quite frankly the NAS seems to have devolved from its original purpose, originally only about 1 person in 4000 with most GP's only seeing at best 1 autistic patient some none at all. Today I believe 1 person in 40 is described as being on the autistic spectrum. Well the NAS has certainly raised the autistic Profile in the media..
We have a situation where society and the media ignore the truly autistic person who will need 24 hour care for a whole lifetime, and will eventually have to have to be cared for in a specialist care home, for which the NAS originally was the leader in this respect, and have participated in. But there being one case of institutional abuse by NAS employed carers. and the home was closed.
Did you know that to do so, your local authority will get a Deprivation of Liberty Order from the Court of Protection renewed each year, but for the lifetime of the detained.
Did you know when the detained handicapped autistic person who is not mentally ill, who has never done anything seriously wrong other than being frustrated by their inability to communicate, eventually dies.
The Coroners death certificate will record the death as being "Whilst in Sttate Detention". I find that appalling and so should every person associated with the NAS.
I am going to appose such an order soon to be made against my son. It is a complete breach of his Article 8 Human Rights.
I really need the NAS to fund a HR Barrister to support me as My son's Litigation Friend.
Think about that instead what siminian ancestor had sex with whatever he could catch. and whether it was a "Lucy" or in Africa, or as thought today a completely separate "Lucy" figure but evolving separately in Asia.before Africa.that you are unaware of.
I agree with what Trogluddite says, and just want to add a bit.
There's space on these forums for all kinds of discussions, people looking for various types of help and various types of understanding. However, this forum or 'community' is not a way 'to make contact with the NAS', and you'll need to do that directly, although I understand it can be difficult. Most people here aren't even members of the NAS, just people who have been given a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder, or who have a child or partner who has. Yes, the subject of this thread's not going to help you. You might get a better reception if you start your own.
So I'm not here to defend the NAS. However, I would point out that they are not the main reason for more and more people being diagnosed with autism. That is a trend that has been happening internationally for many years. As a result I have a diagnosis (ASD) that means I theoretically could be sectioned under the Mental Health Act without being mentally ill. Not all disabilities are visible.
So good luck in opposing the order against your son and getting him proper care. There are in fact quite a few verbal autistic people who are working with parents for the rights of autistic people who are currently detained or at risk of detention. Have you come across '7 days of action'? I don't have full details to hand, but they're mentioned here:https://www.caremanagementmatters.co.uk/7-days-of-action-2017/https://theatuscandal.wordpress.com/
I've posted some lists of possible sources of legal help:https://www.autism.org.uk/directory/browse/cid=4~aid=1.aspxhttps://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/getting-advice
And in turn you are being presumptuous in thinking that because some of us may have less severe difficulties than your son, and at times discuss topics other than the need for support for such people, that we have no sympathy for a person in your or your son's position. There is nothing in any of the posts in this thread to indicate that any of us would be anything other than shocked and dismayed by your description of how poorly the human rights are respected of those who are detained against their will for spurious reasons (I have witnessed some of it myself via friends who have been "sectioned".)
The shared label is maybe an accident of historical changes in the view taken by psychologists, and how we are diagnosed and categorised is certainly a legitimate subject for debate (a debate which we have often.) But implying that the autistic adults here should be dismissed as malingerers just because our traits do not match your preconceptions is both insulting and does nothing to further your cause, with which the majority of us would surely concur. Saying that person A's needs should be dismissed because person B's needs are greater is a divisive fallacy, regardless of what labels might be used.
Nothing is being taken away from you by other's desire to discuss the topic at hand, nor is there any intention that it influence the policies of the NAS or any other agency in any way. There is no obligation to participate in this thread nor to agree with the sentiments expressed. You are as free as any of us to start your own threads for the discussion of issues more pertinent to you and your son; if we can discuss those things without sniping at each other, you may find that you have more allies than you think.
So do we all pull together to seek the resources needed by each in proportion to their needs (as promised by the NHS charter since its inception), or do we bicker amongst ourselves about who deserves to be called "autistic"?