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Hans Asperger

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/19/hans-asperger-aided-and-supported-nazi-programme-study-says

I have to say that since I first read Steve Silbermann's book 'Neurotribes' about a year plus ago, I have been wondering if it was entirely the case that Asperger tried to keep his subjects away from the Nazi euthanasia programme. This morning's headline is thus no great surprise. And as Sachs-Cohen and Silbermann have already indicated their belief in the emerging facts, I'm not about to get too emotive about it. Regardless of DSM-5, my diagnostician decided it was still a valid term for an older adult who had lived for some years with some knowledge of that label. And I'm not about to avoid that label, myself. I suppose I might as well be the first person on the forum to ask what happens next, because I would guess that not everyone will be quite so philosophical about it as me. I have to admit, I have never really taken very kindly to 'aspie'. I find it a bit patronising; but I'm now wondering if some of that discomfort is down to the fact that I have sort of half expected that the hero thing was not quite the full story. And Kanner, for all his input, wasn't beyond criticism either.

''Carol Povey, director at the National Autistic Society in the UK’s Centre for Autism, said: “We expect these findings to spark a big conversation among autistic people and their family members, particularly those who identify with the term ‘Asperger’. Obviously no one with a diagnosis of Asperger syndrome should feel in any way tainted by this very troubling history.” 

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  • Who exactly is this Herwig Czech and what are his motivations for carrying out this research?

    Something that I'm concerned about is how this is spread like wildfire through the mainstream media. It seems like every English language media source has run away with the story. In contrast Lorna Wing's 1981 paper remained a near secret outside of a small circle of academics for over 10 years. It was referenced by media sources in her obituary but how many journalists even knew of its existence back in the 1980s? Even references to the milestone books about Asperger syndrome by Uta Frith and Tony Attwood have only had a minimal mention in the mainstream media and often years after they were published.

    I can't help but thinking that there is some malevolent behind the scenes project going on by certain factions of the Jewish community to discredit Hans Asperger.

    It's the beginning of the end of Asperger syndrome. In a few years it will be labelled as just autism but the clock will also be turned back so that the only autism which counts will be traditional Kanner autism. Anybody who still wants to push AS (regardless of what it's called) will be vilified as a sympathiser of a Nazi war criminal.

    I suspect that Lorna Wing, Uta Frith, and Tony Attwood will be consigned to the dustbin of history as naïve fools who just wanted to make a name for themselves whilst failing to understand who Hans Asperger was. So will Luke Jackson. I also suspect that JKP will stop publishing books about AS. 

    The eugenics is a mere side show. There was plenty of support for eugenics in Britain both during the early 20th century and today. It's collaborating with the *** that's Hans Asperger's crime. This is just as unforgiveable in academia as it is in the real world.

  • in reply to Arran

    Herwig Czech is a historian, and the motivation is presumably being researching history. Uta Frith and others have issued statements agreeing that this was valuable research.

    I'd agree the media seem to have over-reacted, and would suggest it's probably worth reading Czech's paper in full (which I haven't yet) before coming to a firm opinion.  I wouldn't read too much into it as regards the status of AS.  The autistic community absorbed AS years ago, although the term 'aspie' is still used.  As the editorial suggests, Wing could equally have credited two Jewish members of Asperger's team, Frankl & Weiss.

    I don't see your basis for saying 'the clock will also be turned back so that the only autism which counts will be traditional Kanner autism'.  The dividing line was always quite blurry - some people speak under some conditions, and not others.

  • in reply to Cassandro
    Cassandro said:
    Herwig Czech is a historian, and the motivation is presumably being researching history.

    The question is why does he spend 8 years of his life painstakingly researching this? What are his motives?  Is he working under the paymasters of anti-*** or even certain Jewish communities?

    Although I cannot prove this, the recent research by Steve Silberman that concluded Kanner was aware of the existence of Asperger and his research I could not help thinking that knowledge of Asperger has circulated deep within certain Jewish communities and fraternal organisations for decades and they have made efforts to bury him until Uta Frith released her book in 1991.

    http://community.autism.org.uk/f/miscellaneous-and-chat/11628/rewriting-autism-history/61226

    I doubt that Herwig Czech has finished his research. He could even be testing the water with his paper and have another paper pending publication that could completely and utterly destroy Hans Asperger by putting him on the same level as Heinrich Himmler.

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  • in reply to Cassandro
    Cassandro said:
    Herwig Czech is a historian, and the motivation is presumably being researching history.

    The question is why does he spend 8 years of his life painstakingly researching this? What are his motives?  Is he working under the paymasters of anti-*** or even certain Jewish communities?

    Although I cannot prove this, the recent research by Steve Silberman that concluded Kanner was aware of the existence of Asperger and his research I could not help thinking that knowledge of Asperger has circulated deep within certain Jewish communities and fraternal organisations for decades and they have made efforts to bury him until Uta Frith released her book in 1991.

    http://community.autism.org.uk/f/miscellaneous-and-chat/11628/rewriting-autism-history/61226

    I doubt that Herwig Czech has finished his research. He could even be testing the water with his paper and have another paper pending publication that could completely and utterly destroy Hans Asperger by putting him on the same level as Heinrich Himmler.

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