Hans Asperger

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/19/hans-asperger-aided-and-supported-nazi-programme-study-says

I have to say that since I first read Steve Silbermann's book 'Neurotribes' about a year plus ago, I have been wondering if it was entirely the case that Asperger tried to keep his subjects away from the Nazi euthanasia programme. This morning's headline is thus no great surprise. And as Sachs-Cohen and Silbermann have already indicated their belief in the emerging facts, I'm not about to get too emotive about it. Regardless of DSM-5, my diagnostician decided it was still a valid term for an older adult who had lived for some years with some knowledge of that label. And I'm not about to avoid that label, myself. I suppose I might as well be the first person on the forum to ask what happens next, because I would guess that not everyone will be quite so philosophical about it as me. I have to admit, I have never really taken very kindly to 'aspie'. I find it a bit patronising; but I'm now wondering if some of that discomfort is down to the fact that I have sort of half expected that the hero thing was not quite the full story. And Kanner, for all his input, wasn't beyond criticism either.

''Carol Povey, director at the National Autistic Society in the UK’s Centre for Autism, said: “We expect these findings to spark a big conversation among autistic people and their family members, particularly those who identify with the term ‘Asperger’. Obviously no one with a diagnosis of Asperger syndrome should feel in any way tainted by this very troubling history.” 

Parents
  • I  think no one is suggesting that people with Asperger Syndrome would have co-operated with the evil orders of the ***. as Asperger people can be disobedient.  Well people with Asperger Syndrome could cooperate and those who do not have Autism could cooperate with the ***.   Asperger people are not really Autistic but they have some of the traits of Autistic people.   Hans Asperger should have disobeyed the evil orders of sending disabled children to their death.  Really Hans Asperger should have emigrated to the USA before the war rather than carry on working under this evil system. I went to a talk in the Docklands area and the speaker was not sure whether Hans Asperger co-operated with the ***.  It is true if Hans Asperger had not carried out those evil orders he might have been arrested or killed himself.  I do hope they will drop the term ASPERGER SYNDROME.  May be call it Autistic traits instead.

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  • I  think no one is suggesting that people with Asperger Syndrome would have co-operated with the evil orders of the ***. as Asperger people can be disobedient.  Well people with Asperger Syndrome could cooperate and those who do not have Autism could cooperate with the ***.   Asperger people are not really Autistic but they have some of the traits of Autistic people.   Hans Asperger should have disobeyed the evil orders of sending disabled children to their death.  Really Hans Asperger should have emigrated to the USA before the war rather than carry on working under this evil system. I went to a talk in the Docklands area and the speaker was not sure whether Hans Asperger co-operated with the ***.  It is true if Hans Asperger had not carried out those evil orders he might have been arrested or killed himself.  I do hope they will drop the term ASPERGER SYNDROME.  May be call it Autistic traits instead.

Children
  • I hear one or two sources are now positing a so-called borderline autism. Sub-clinical if you like. Again, autistic traits without actually being autistic. A spectrum that could encompass almost anyone to some degree......until the definitions on when it is enough of a problem to need to ask for support or special consideration for your needs.....well then opinion becomes......slanted. This borderline autism could be for those who could say that autism has touched their lives but it no longer matters. Possibly. 

    There used to be PDD Nos of course. But maybe that came about because the Konner checklist for autism was too strict and meanwhile three were parents wringing their hands over children whose autism meant horrific issues at home, but we're still not autistic enough to qualify got help. 

    In the past, I get the impression now that children who didn't fit the Kanber model close enough got categorised as suffering fromchildhood schizophrenia instead. And anyway Kanner's autism was classed as a psychosis. I remember watching a documentary in the 70's where that was clearly stated. Asperger's rescued children from the S word being applied to them, then. Or PDD Nos did. 

    Since then I see the waters have Bern muddied again. with Oprah drawing attention to the plight of January Schofield, who was definitely.ity diagnosed with schizophrenia at 6. She had autistic_like obsessions with days and numbers, but also definitely had auditory and other hallucinations too. 

  • Asperger people are not really Autistic but they have some of the traits of Autistic people.

    This just isn’t correct. Those with Asperger’s are absolutely autistic and that is exactly what they are diagnosed with now (since Asperger’s Syndrome is no longer diagnosed). Remember that autism is a spectrum and that it takes a certain level of deficit to meet a diagnostic threshold. To say aspies merely have some traits of autistic people is wrong, because if this was the case they wouldn’t be diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome. Arguably, the majority of the population have some autistic traits...

    As for changing the name due to possible connotations, I do not share your opinion though I do respect it.


  • Asperger people are not really Autistic but they have some of the traits of Autistic people.

    If your statement were true, Autistic people by the same measure are not then really Autistic either, as they would be diagnosed as being Psychopaths, Shizophrenics, Manic Depressives and the list goes on.

    Higher Functioning Autism (HFA) sets in contrast the symptomatic traits of Lower Functioning Autism (LFA), and thus Autism as a Spectrum Condition (ASC) can be recognised as being different from other branches of Psychopathic presentations, diagnosis and treatment.

    Reconsider then your opinion above as posted, as you are at least like many people unwittingly taking part, as such, in the fascist or elitist exclusions of others in this era, just as is and has been integral to ethnic cleansing for far far too long now.

    Yes? 


  • The crime Hans Asperger is supposed to have committed is obeying Hitler by sending  disabled children to be murdered in a Clinic.  Hitler did not just murder Jews he murdered disabled people as well and Hans Asperger is supposed to have helped Hitler do that by sending profoundly disabled children to their death.  Even after the T5 programme stopped disabled people were still murdered under Hitler.