At my last meeting with the Nurse practitioner at my old address she mentioned autism in relation to things I told her and gave me a sheet about a local autism charity. However she also said that things might be explained by schizotypal.
I am wondering what people think about the overlap and differences between ASD and schizotypal. How many have gone in for an ASD assessment to be told they are schizotypal? How many are seen as being both ASD and schizotypal ?
Autism and schizophrenia are related.
Before autism became recognised, it was often diagnosed as schizophrenia.
There are however many differences and anti psychotic drugs used to treat schizophrenics can make autism worse.
However some unlucky people can have symptoms of both.
As a student in the 1980s I once lived in a shared house where one of the residents was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. And her behaviour was challenging. When I first moved in I asked about local shops and she offered to show me where the nearest large supermarket was. At around 3pm in the afternoon we went shopping to this supermarket. 2 minutes into the journey she started shouting about the trees, panicked and ran back into the house. Once she came round in the middle of the night asking for antiseptic, plasters and cotton wool. Her feet had cuts and scratches and were bleeding. It turned out that she couldn't sleep so she went out for an after midnight walk in her bare feet, with only a jacket over her underwear.
no idea, but i score zero on the AQ test and i score highly on two of the five schizophrenia areas. The main overlap with autism here is disorganised thinking, which is the emotional and mental component of dyspraxia, which if you have autism is just part of your autism but not everyone with autism has it. (It's about having organisation in the diagnostic handbook, essential for preventing random meaningless diagnoses, not about making sense). Only overlap i know of, am otherwise ignorant
Hi, this concerns me very greatly. Three family members have been diagnosed with schizophrenia.
The main difference is this hearing voices.
Which has also recently a study by an English gent (Dr. Tony Attwood) https://youtu.be/wfOHnt4PMFo?t=869 said that ASD people get lonely. And they invent an imaginary friend to talk to.
And so when asked are you hearing voices?
They reply yes. And a diagnosis is formed of schizophrenia. Which may or not be correct. Because of everything else fits
Is this ASD or schizophrenia?
My impression is that they are joined at the hip and that professionals have great difficulty with differential diagnosis. In other groups i keep coming across people who are autistic but who were previously misdiagnosed with schizophrenia. i'm not sure what to make of it. My younger son went through various diagnoses before autism was mentioned, mainly after their frustration with anti-psychotics not working. Overall i'm none too impressed with the DSM or psychiatric diagnoses and wish they'd simply focus on helping people with their needs and issues.
it all seems confused and I don't really know what to believe - is autism more of an identity than a diagnosis and if so what's it doing in the DSM?
My personal experience is that I was diagnosed with ASD only. This was after a very thorough assessment carried out by a number of professionals including a psychiatrist. This leads me to believe that schizotypal was never a possibility. Other possibilities were mentioned and explored like OCD but not schizotypal. The conclusion I draw from this is that not all people with ASD meet the criteria for schizotypal. Having read the criteria I would agree that I do not meet the criteria for schizotypal but that I definitely meet the criteria for ASD.
They anti-psychotics don't work because they are not psychotic. This a very bad "negligence case."
I am wondering how to tell my mum and brother.
It think it's a good thing that autism is somewhere as a disorder. Because of the naivety that I have. And many people with ASD. If its something less then it might not get noticed. Perhaps they put it the DSM so "psychiatrists" will consider it, instead of Schizophrenia.
When its more widely recognised it can be put next to ADHD.
I have a meeting with a mental health nurse next week. Wish me luck. And if you don't hear from me for a month, send for help.
Yes, I heard that clinicians should make clear what is the major condition. And that autism can have lead to OCD, schizophrenia. There apparently is a big difference between just having schizophrenia.Not bashing just genuinely scared, because they lock you up for these things. That might be my anxiety talking.
I'm not convinced that anti-psychotics work very well full stop. Our experiences have been negative anyway, although i accept that others might have had more favourable responses.
I'm not sure I feel i have a disorder but I do think that there have been major issues that needed picking up in some way. I'm quite naive too. And gullible. Just feeling a bit put out that various features of what I saw as my personality turn out to be listed in the DSM. This would be readily forgiven if it represented the pathway towards greater understanding and support. I'm a bit doubtful about that too though, especially on the NHS (although remaining optimistic that we'll be able to seek out additional help privately for our sons).
I'm not sure how my own family feel about it. They'll talk it through and seem accepting, but then don't seem to consider and possible implications for themselves. I guess time will tell.
I am not convinced too. Half of the time the label says it can lead to more problems including psychosis.Being gay was removed from DSM. Perhaps we will be downgraded to Eccentric Collector Mathmaticus disorder.
Sorry I might have got lost in this conversation, I'm unsure as to why you are scared.
What I can say though is it's the second time in days that I've heard mental health services being referred to as something really terrifying where you are treated badly. My own experience is that they don't just lock people up. I am aware there are bad services out there but there are a lot of good ones too. Occasionally people are detained under the mental health act for their safety or the safety of others but there is a huge push for community based treatment where possible.