Good manners?

longman said:

No disrespect to Pink68, as I think we've drifted off the thread somewhat, but in some ways it is relevant as context.

IntenseWorld, you've brought in another compromise - "oh if you achieved it must be down to privilege". So why again is it so incompatible for people on the spectrum to achieve?  This ought to worry parents who are being sold the idea that patient and enduring committment now will avoid all the problems later.

Longman, not sure why, but you have taken what I said (Did you have fortuitous circumstances, such as a very supportive family) as meaning money and class.  Privileged is not what I said or implied at all.  You can be from a poor background and still have a supportive family that want you to achieve (autistic or not).

Regarding PhDs, OK well not having one myself I was unaware that what you describe is an issue with it, but I did say "or whichever qualifications" as I meant that people without qualifications are going to have a tougher time getting a career than those with qualifications, I was not focusing on the PhD per se.

My entire point being, that an inconducive environment (somewhere stressful or overwhelming for an Aspie) is far more likely to prevent them achieving as they will spend their time ...being stressed and overwhelmed, which as we know would mean much less able to function/exist, let-alone gain qualifications.  I have read anecdotally of many Aspies dropping out of courses because they could not cope (I have done this myself).

I do not say that Aspies cannot achieve through will and determination, in fact I did say that I applauded you if this was the case with you.  However, I would imagine, that the percentage of us that have not achieved our potential is far higher than those who have because of being affected by traits and/or environment.  Luck may have something to do with it, and I don't begrudge people a bit of luck.

There will be many Aspies out there that didn't achieve in the academic sense but are endowed with similar research skills and abilities to yourself.  I would bet that they struggled due to traits being affected by environment much of the time.

I have been trying to make you see, that you do not need to 'excuse yourself' as being mild, because you are still an Aspie and you will still have traits that make your life difficult - hence a diagnosis.  Your AS is just as valid as anyone else's on here.  I take issue with the view that professionals have that for some Aspies their condition is no problem to them.   They have no idea at what cost to the individual maintaining that is.

longman said:

No disrespect to Pink68, as I think we've drifted off the thread somewhat, but in some ways it is relevant as context.

IntenseWorld, you've brought in another compromise - "oh if you achieved it must be down to privilege". So why again is it so incompatible for people on the spectrum to achieve?  This ought to worry parents who are being sold the idea that patient and enduring committment now will avoid all the problems later.

Longman, not sure why, but you have taken what I said (Did you have fortuitous circumstances, such as a very supportive family) as meaning money and class.  Privileged is not what I said or implied at all.  You can be from a poor background and still have a supportive family that want you to achieve (autistic or not).

Regarding PhDs, OK well not having one myself I was unaware that what you describe is an issue with it, but I did say "or whichever qualifications" as I meant that people without qualifications are going to have a tougher time getting a career than those with qualifications, I was not focusing on the PhD per se.

My entire point being, that an inconducive environment (somewhere stressful or overwhelming for an Aspie) is far more likely to prevent them achieving as they will spend their time ...being stressed and overwhelmed, which as we know would mean much less able to function/exist, let-alone gain qualifications.  I have read anecdotally of many Aspies dropping out of courses because they could not cope (I have done this myself).

I do not say that Aspies cannot achieve through will and determination, in fact I did say that I applauded you if this was the case with you.  However, I would imagine, that the percentage of us that have not achieved our potential is far higher than those who have because of being affected by traits and/or environment.  Luck may have something to do with it, and I don't begrudge people a bit of luck.

There will be many Aspies out there that didn't achieve in the academic sense but are endowed with similar research skills and abilities to yourself.  I would bet that they struggled due to traits being affected by environment much of the time.

I have been trying to make you see, that you do not need to 'excuse yourself' as being mild, because you are still an Aspie and you will still have traits that make your life difficult - hence a diagnosis.  Your AS is just as valid as anyone else's on here.  I take issue with the view that professionals have that for some Aspies their condition is no problem to them.   They have no idea at what cost to the individual maintaining that is.