suitable age for help from clinical pyschologist

Hi,

I would like my ten yer old daughter ( high functioning ASD)  to have a couple of sessions with a clinical psychologist  to help identify the ways that ASD affects her and in particular help her with anxiety.

Every time I try to ask her "what is it about X that you finds difficult/anxious ", she says "she does not know but she just is". If I ask her about noise and sensory stuff she looks at me as though I m an idiot.

She does not seem to want to talk about ASD with me but then suddenly gets upset because she is worried about how she will cope with high school and how to manage job etc.

Unless I know, then it is very difficult to come up with strategies to help her.

 A friend whose step daughter is ASD  thinks that these sessions will not help my daughter as she is too young to put into words what the matter is.

 Do you agree - I would very much like to start getting help as  I feel I am very fortunate to have got this diagnosis now rather than later.

  • HI all,

     It is very kind and thoughtful of you to provide me with your experience.

     I will re read over the next couple of days and  let it sink in. I might have other questions about this topic. So thank you

     warmest regards

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    The list goes on: 

    Feeling includes emotional intensity, the compounded frustrations with sensing a thing and having trouble finding the language to identify it. The Power centre. Autistics are not triggered by domination/hierarchy the way that Non-autistics are. We can be intently excited and experience a rush over Analytical thought and epiphany. Geo-thermal, Geo-magnetic. We can sense changes in the weather, some are in tune with an innate sense of navigation. Balance and Focus point - we can sense visual aesthetics. Taste. We can have more explosive palettes. Teach us to identify different chocolate and regions. This list is not exhaustive. 

    Our taste buds and olfactory system are directly connected to our gut. We can be far more sensitive to Volatile Organic Compounds and feel nauseous or suddenly become ill. We can be more sensitive to the effects of chemical pollution and become dizzy or have trouble breathing. These are not psychological. There are particles invisible to the naked eye which can be seen under a microscope and identified. But many of us have gut-health issues and food sensitivity. I am personally allergic to grains, brassicas and legumes, or more current horticulture. This is not a coincidence. If I need help remembering what to eat I start with a FODMAP diet and add what doesn’t cause problems. Sometimes I think I was meant for the wild. :)

    So! when we’re no longer battling Extra sensory non-human friendly issues, we can focus on learning how to communicate in a chaotic world which we’d appreciate if it was more reliable and orderly. 

    REMEMBER 

    Autistic Individuals FEEL their senses far more intensely than Non-Autstics. Senses include Interoceptions and External gauges. If too much information is arriving all at once (smell, noise, language) It is like overloading a computer with too many software programmes. Therefore it is incredibly important we not only are allowed time and space to learn to use these senses to help identify what we’re receiving, it is also then important we have rules or mechanisms to shield an overwhelming amount of input. We are better designed for Hyper-Focused tasks and better allowed to complete each task even if it is simply walking down a flight of stairs. 

    Here is a short list of senses: 

    Kinetic Physiology 

    Touch

    Balance

    Sound

    Rhythm

    Light

    Shape / Geometric aesthetic

    Gut

    Smell

    Emotional Intensity

    Imagination

    Geo/Thermal

    Geo/Magnetic

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  • What you are asking her regarding noise and sensory issues, is to explain laws of physics, acoustics or biological interaction with chemicals or unnatural elements. She's 10. I'll follow up with a list that will help give you a guide to sensory issues we are In-tune with that NeuroNormative Society has learned to block out or create defence mechanisms mentally against.

    Jaques Lacan (Psychoanalyst from mid-1900s) would have been one to point out that due to how the Autistic brain is wired, it doesn't use language the same, so it is not using language to re-code (computer speak) the brain to shut out harsh and possibly dangerous signals / elements. Where as, non-autistic individuals are using this more Asymmetrically wired brain which is heavily focused on Semiotics and Language, therefore, dulling their senses. There's other things potentially happening in the Autistic brain we are only just now discovering which make it impossible to dull our senses. You could buy a collexion of hard wired tools to read decibels and frequencies, buy a spectrometer and/or readers for chemicals and VOCs. Or potentially just ask your daughter. From what I understand one can learn to undo their defence mechanisms over time and become more sensitive with training (like meditation).

    The thing about therapy is it can help us learn to navigate communication by first, Respecting the other even if they don't understand themselves. Then give us tools an resources to draw from in order to better interact. I think these are positive elements. The first therapist I went to for a minute was able to identify time management struggles. The second was able to identify that I couldn't identify my emotions. Each one I've gone to have helped identify something I didn't have the language for. 

    An even better situation here would be to find an Autistic Therapist who could also identify with you're daughter. This woman's blog is great: www.instagram.com/.../

  • My son at 14 cannot usually say what is causing his anxiety. He struggles to go to school but mostly doesn't know why.

    We can ask questions about things that might happen or have happened and guess but it is not straight forward. We spoke to SENCO before he started secondary school with suggestions. Many suggestions to help are rejected by him. He particularly doesn't want to stand out amongst his peers. He also does not like to tell peers he has ASD so it is just school staff that ate aware.

    The support is ongoing with us keeping in touch by email with school as we constantly work with them trying to assist with support.

    Regarding help he has spoken to CAMHS doctor who discussed his anxiety with him and encouraged him to take help offered. It was a helpful discussion but did not seem to make much difference with his anxiety of attending school. However he is not high functioning.


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  • If the psychologist has experience with working with children, then yes of course they can help her with anxiety, and can explore some of her feelings.

  • Putting anyone into a clinical therapy setting can be more damaging than good, you obviously have good intentions, and are definitely not doing it with any malicious intentions and it is clear that you want to understand a lot more about your daughter, which is understandable.

    You have known her for 10 years, so in that time, is there anything you have noticed that sets her off into a meltdown or shutdown?

    I don't think a clinical therapist is going to be able to allay any of the concerns she has.

    Have you considered speaking to the Secondary/High School and asking if it is possible to get a meeting with the aim to see if it is possible for your daughter maybe to have a taster day or a tour of the school with the teaching staff that she is likely to encounter in her first year and what they can provide to her when she needs to get away from it all?

    Also, does she have a diary or journal? If not, it might be a good idea, so she can express herself in writing, I find it easier to write what I am wanting to say instead of conveying it in words.