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Can anyone explain what is happening?

ParentingAutism

Hi again, sorry for asking so many questions again but so much is happening. 

Anyways, my 14 y.o daughter is in a PRU (Pupil Referral Unit) and recently teachers have reported that she will be wandering round the school, then she'll go to lesson and do some work, then out of the blue she will stop doing her work and become disengaged and become silent for around a minute. They told me that it's like she's just not fully there but will respond. When she comes out of it, she will do her work again for a bit, then she'll wander again and she'll go into the classroom and won't be able to sit down. She will take pins out the wall and look at them and try stabbing other things with them, waving things about, she'll be making loud noises, can't sit still and will walk round the room. Teachers have described some other random movements she does and told me it's like she's out of control and has laughing fits or tries not to laugh. When this happens, she will always be walking around the room and keep leaving and returning. (She only has 2 other pupils in her class). It's like out of no where she will be bursting with energy. 

I need some advice on what is happening and why and how we can help. How can we keep her to stay in the lesson and keep her and others safe?

Thanks

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  • We'd need to spend a day with her to see what's going on for her to spot all the triggers and where she zones out.and why.

  • in reply to Plastic

    Thanks, Plastic. We know she zones out whilst she's in her class, usually when the 2 other kids are in there. She's verbal and has told me some triggers herself. She walks out when it's too much or for the past couple of days, it's because she's bored. She told me 'It's like a rush of adrenaline like a shiver down your spine but it makes me do random movements'. 

    In the past, I've experienced something like this but more intense. She'll wake up really hyper, laugh hysterically for no reason and becomes more risky. She once asked me to go very fast while driving when I can't. She'll also become really loud and won't stop moving. It kind of seems like she's high but she's not. It seems a bit similar to what she's been describing to me while in school. 

  • in reply to ParentingAutism

    I can't really give you anything concrete on this one.    

    Maybe she's spotting that all rules are only in the mind of the person obeying them.     Maybe she's seen so much rule-breaking with zero consequences that she's realised the structure of all modern society is based on BS?     Maybe there are no edges any more?   

    What do you think?

  • in reply to Plastic

    Could be but she's enjoying it since she gets rewarded and overall like it there. She's even increased her time there. 

  • in reply to Plastic

    Children may know right from wrong but they do not function with their own agency yet. Right and Wrong  can be messy - life is not black and white. Humans can use authority to manipulate others and it's difficult to spot without the knowledge of these seemingly invisible systems. Judging and evaluating properly are not simple tasks for a child. 

    Throughout their 20s, youthful adults are still finding their ground in society and hopefully by 30 can begin to understand how to make rational, sensible decisions. Children cannot always ID the nonsense in society without confusion because humans don't live with a congruity between what they say and do. Philosophers can dissect these inconsistencies around age 40 and hopefully it will have an impact in law-making, education, science, etc. She's 14. I couldn't work out why a 'rule' let alone a maths formula existed and if an expected exchange or operation doesn't make sense fundamentally, it was difficult to remember and rendered absolutely useless. Explain the molecular structure and I find it easier to operate. Is the method of teaching the same as how neurotypicals grasp understanding? 

    I have a close friend with ADHD who occasionally has these bursts of adrenaline. He's in his 50's and finally a little more protective and disciplined of his out-door and work out time. Some humans are wired to learning the theory of science while others are hands-on engineers. Some are good at understanding and classifying natural life in catalogues and others with a spade and dirt. We need both.

  • in reply to ParentingAutism

    As someone else said, a PRU is really just a containment vessel - she may be getting fed up with it all and the temporary feeling of everything.

  • in reply to Plastic

    I agree there is a lot of rule breaking but she does know right and wrong. For example, when she left school the other day, she was extremely sorry since she knew it was wrong but she just had to. 

    Plastic said:
    she's realised the structure of all modern society is based on BS?

    I guess that could be true but at the same time she could be bored since some lessons are too easy, too much work given at the same time which stresses her out, or or she is just so bored and wants to do something else. 

    I've noticed that when she walks out, there will always be someone else with her and if she doesn't want to go back to class the member of staff will take her for a walk, give her a job to do or they'll see the animals and in my opinion she enjoys that and sometimes she'll go back to lesson and do the work with or without help. 

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  • in reply to Plastic

    I agree there is a lot of rule breaking but she does know right and wrong. For example, when she left school the other day, she was extremely sorry since she knew it was wrong but she just had to. 

    Plastic said:
    she's realised the structure of all modern society is based on BS?

    I guess that could be true but at the same time she could be bored since some lessons are too easy, too much work given at the same time which stresses her out, or or she is just so bored and wants to do something else. 

    I've noticed that when she walks out, there will always be someone else with her and if she doesn't want to go back to class the member of staff will take her for a walk, give her a job to do or they'll see the animals and in my opinion she enjoys that and sometimes she'll go back to lesson and do the work with or without help. 

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