AS people, please can you help me?

I am trying, with great difficulty, to understand something. I could really use your help with this, it's literaly taken me over (you know the one) and I need the thinking of others. Call it an intervention!

Before I begin, please can I ask you to look over the following article?;

nymag.com/.../

I have seen many posts from NT parents about 'treatment' for AS.

The question I have asked myself is, 'if I could go back and be changed into an NT by 'treatment', would I choose it?'

My firm answer is 'No'. I am the sum total of a life spent as an AS person. I can't change my past, so my best option is to use the learning that is  'the sum of who I am' to help others if I can, and especially for the next generation. If any of you think that I can be helpful and supportive, understanding and insightful, fine. If you think the opposite, also fine and I am sorry that I wasn't helpful. I do what everyone does - the best I can.

I'm an egalitarian by instinct. I will state my thoughts and opinions, but they are mine alone. When I read other people's posts, I assume the right to agree or disagree, and simply expect the same fairness back.

Thank you for listening this far, and now I've come to my taxing absorption.

I read this post under the title Stem cell treatment for autism: 'Has anyone undergone stem cell treatment for autism?'

I responded with '

This is my personal opinion. I don't argue my personal opinions, just for them.

How about 'tretament' for being NT? Their capacity for being the most illogical, spiteful, self-destructive creature on this planet leaves me staggered. I pity the poor creatures and their lack of insight, but what can you do? No-one is researching 'treatment' for them, because they collectively agree that their unsanity is 'normal'.

The inmates are running the asylum.

Now, I thought that I was humourously disparaging the idea of 'treating' people just because they are different. It is my belief that most people will be able to see that I have reiterated the concepts of the same thing as the poster, with our roles reversed. Here's your mirror, as it were.
I just discovered that I got moderated for this post . Apparently, I should watch my language. A particular word picked out is asylum because it is derrogatory towards past attitudes to mental health (?).
I am totaly confused. I don't know why 'mental health' is being brought into it. Given the various current uses of the word 'asylum' I don't know how it becomes offensive, even in context, 'the inmates are running the asylum' is a common concept and has been the root idea behind several award winning books, plays and films, yet it appears that some ignoramus doesn't like it. And apparently, I'm supposed to know this and understand it in their particular case. Que?
Please, any insights will do. Sooner or later one of you will say something that will help me get a grip on this. You know the one where the more you try, the more you're shaking your head, you're laughing bleakly, you don't know whether to be angry, offended, confused, puch drunk, weakened, disempowered, desperate to understand, shocked, fed up with mods public messages yet again, privacy invaded, and a whole bunch more, and because you can't choose one, you have them all at once instead. That's where I am right now.
Phew! Bit of a maze. Ariadne, the thread!
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  • Former Member
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    CC and others have raised a number of issues for discussion on this thread. Some opinions follow which may differ from others' opinions on the forum. All I ask is that people strive to consider what I, and others, have said and make an effort to understand each others' points of view and the reasons why people have arrived at their current views. 

    Treatment of autism is seen as desirable by some people but not others. It seems to me that people want their deeply disturbed, dysfunctional, very disabled children or relatives to be helped to a better place. Other people are capable of living full and rewarding lives with their autism. The fortunate few, it seems to me, should not interfere with the opinions and wishes of a different set of people with different issues and challenges. The issue is not black and white however. Some parents have not worked out how to enable their children to live a full and rewarding life even though it may, in some cases, just take a different approach to parenting. Some of these parents want their children to be fixed. This is misguided and futile. There have been recent posts where a couple of people have posted here in a state of great distress and anger directed at their children - these people need to be tackled appropriately, compassionately and helped to see a different perspective. They do not need to be regarded with contempt and anger. Anger achieves little apart from upsetting the person who is angry.

    The forum has to be as good as it can be for as many people as possible for as much of the time as it can manage. To me, that means that it needs to be moderated. Moderators are only human (and sometimes autistic) and mistakes or differences of opinion will arise from time to time. I do not think there is any evil intent or any conspiracies or ulterior motives involved. The moderators have to deal with people who are at various points in the process of self discovery. As such, I am becoming aware that I/we can sometimes be judgemental and actually not very easy to get along with. We are somewhat like cats or anarchists - difficult to herd and organise and often fractious and opinionated. My tendency to be over critical and argumentative is what put me on a path to diagnosis, I suspect that our inability to get along with others is a common path to wards diagnosis. 

    The forum also has issues that arise from the failure of the NHS and others to provide an adequate service of diagnosis and care for people with autism. The continual stream of misdiagnosed, angry and struggling people that arrive on the forum's doorstep each day make this a caustic and difficult place to endure. Many of these people come with MH problems on top of their basic ration of autism. Sometimes this can contribute to the bad tempered and argumentative discussions that arise. This, combined with the vulnerability of some forum visitors, makes it imperative to have some moderation. Moderation must however be be undertaken with these difficulties in mind and needs to be done privately and sensitively.

    We should not, in my opinion, throw the baby out with the bathwater and desert the forum and allow it to decay and fall into disuse. It serves many useful purposes and it is a powerful resource and source of collective knowledge and even wisdom at times. Lets suggest improvements and work with the team at NAS to improve it. Is there any other alternative than that the forum must evolve and improve its approach continuously?

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    Former Member

    CC and others have raised a number of issues for discussion on this thread. Some opinions follow which may differ from others' opinions on the forum. All I ask is that people strive to consider what I, and others, have said and make an effort to understand each others' points of view and the reasons why people have arrived at their current views. 

    Treatment of autism is seen as desirable by some people but not others. It seems to me that people want their deeply disturbed, dysfunctional, very disabled children or relatives to be helped to a better place. Other people are capable of living full and rewarding lives with their autism. The fortunate few, it seems to me, should not interfere with the opinions and wishes of a different set of people with different issues and challenges. The issue is not black and white however. Some parents have not worked out how to enable their children to live a full and rewarding life even though it may, in some cases, just take a different approach to parenting. Some of these parents want their children to be fixed. This is misguided and futile. There have been recent posts where a couple of people have posted here in a state of great distress and anger directed at their children - these people need to be tackled appropriately, compassionately and helped to see a different perspective. They do not need to be regarded with contempt and anger. Anger achieves little apart from upsetting the person who is angry.

    The forum has to be as good as it can be for as many people as possible for as much of the time as it can manage. To me, that means that it needs to be moderated. Moderators are only human (and sometimes autistic) and mistakes or differences of opinion will arise from time to time. I do not think there is any evil intent or any conspiracies or ulterior motives involved. The moderators have to deal with people who are at various points in the process of self discovery. As such, I am becoming aware that I/we can sometimes be judgemental and actually not very easy to get along with. We are somewhat like cats or anarchists - difficult to herd and organise and often fractious and opinionated. My tendency to be over critical and argumentative is what put me on a path to diagnosis, I suspect that our inability to get along with others is a common path to wards diagnosis. 

    The forum also has issues that arise from the failure of the NHS and others to provide an adequate service of diagnosis and care for people with autism. The continual stream of misdiagnosed, angry and struggling people that arrive on the forum's doorstep each day make this a caustic and difficult place to endure. Many of these people come with MH problems on top of their basic ration of autism. Sometimes this can contribute to the bad tempered and argumentative discussions that arise. This, combined with the vulnerability of some forum visitors, makes it imperative to have some moderation. Moderation must however be be undertaken with these difficulties in mind and needs to be done privately and sensitively.

    We should not, in my opinion, throw the baby out with the bathwater and desert the forum and allow it to decay and fall into disuse. It serves many useful purposes and it is a powerful resource and source of collective knowledge and even wisdom at times. Lets suggest improvements and work with the team at NAS to improve it. Is there any other alternative than that the forum must evolve and improve its approach continuously?

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