Hate and unconstitutional thinking taking over

Having come from a working class background and thinking of the people I grew up around, I think many of them are innately conservative in thier attitudes and have a deep distrust of the middle classes, the upper classes are seen as OK and something to be tolerated and poked fun at.

A lot of working class communities were really hit hard by deindustrialisation, whole ways of life were wiped out practically overnight, people were proud of thier communities, of thier work and what it brought. When one or two major employers leave an area then everything else falls too, hter local cafes, pubs and clubs. 

Many do not value and never have valued education, its seen as something your made to do before you can do a proper job and be a wage earner. It's a pattern I've seen within my own family, people stopped from going to grammar school or higher education and the distrust of what those things can bring. Theres a fear that being educated will take you away from "us", make you ashamed of "us". This is probably confirmed when people like social workers, teachers etc start trying to tell everyone how to live. For those who live in communities that have been ripped apart by deindusrialisation, where you may have two or three generations of unemployment, it feels really insulting.Theres a tendency to sort of circle the wagons and see off anyone else.

It dosen't help that there are so few resourses for peope who were born and bred here, even naturalised immigrants see and feel it too, people see money, time and effort being given to new arrivals and want to know where its all comming from and why are they so low on the council housing list. 

People want simple answers and are unprepared for the complexity of politics or of life. People want fair and life isn't fair, it never has been, but now I think a lot of people have been robbed of the illusion of fairness, the far right likes simple solutions, they won't be able to fulfil those promises if they get into government, but they'll find another target to blame before finally turning on each other.

The left on the other hand, is no longer a party for the "woking man", it's included other groups and those differently marginalised, I think a lot of people feel that it dosent' belong to them anymore.

Unlike the far right, the left fights like rats in a sack before they ever get to power, which is why they so often don't.

Another problem in the UK is we don't really have a consititution, more a vague set of ideas, that need experts to explain, it's not something you can study, theres no document to look at and challenge, or agree with.

I'm old enough to remember the National Front and all the skin heads rampaging about, it didn't feel safe, the 1980's didn't feel safe either, there was a period afte the end of the cold war where things felt they were getting better for everyone or at least had the potential to, but now nothing feels safe. Again

Having come from a working class background and thinking of the people I grew up around, I think many of them are innately conservative in thier attitudes and have a deep distrust of the middle classes, the upper classes are seen as OK and something to be tolerated and poked fun at.

A lot of working class communities were really hit hard by deindustrialisation, whole ways of life were wiped out practically overnight, people were proud of thier communities, of thier work and what it brought. When one or two major employers leave an area then everything else falls too, hter local cafes, pubs and clubs. 

Many do not value and never have valued education, its seen as something your made to do before you can do a proper job and be a wage earner. It's a pattern I've seen within my own family, people stopped from going to grammar school or higher education and the distrust of what those things can bring. Theres a fear that being educated will take you away from "us", make you ashamed of "us". This is probably confirmed when people like social workers, teachers etc start trying to tell everyone how to live. For those who live in communities that have been ripped apart by deindusrialisation, where you may have two or three generations of unemployment, it feels really insulting.Theres a tendency to sort of circle the wagons and see off anyone else.

It dosen't help that there are so few resourses for peope who were born and bred here, even naturalised immigrants see and feel it too, people see money, time and effort being given to new arrivals and want to know where its all comming from and why are they so low on the council housing list. 

People want simple answers and are unprepared for the complexity of politics or of life. People want fair and life isn't fair, it never has been, but now I think a lot of people have been robbed of the illusion of fairness, the far right likes simple solutions, they won't be able to fulfil those promises if they get into government, but they'll find another target to blame before finally turning on each other.

The left on the other hand, is no longer a party for the "woking man", it's included other groups and those differently marginalised, I think a lot of people feel that it dosent' belong to them anymore.

Unlike the far right, the left fights like rats in a sack before they ever get to power, which is why they so often don't.

Another problem in the UK is we don't really have a consititution, more a vague set of ideas, that need experts to explain, it's not something you can study, theres no document to look at and challenge, or agree with.

I'm old enough to remember the National Front and all the skin heads rampaging about, it didn't feel safe, the 1980's didn't feel safe either, there was a period afte the end of the cold war where things felt they were getting better for everyone or at least had the potential to, but now nothing feels safe. Again

Surprisingly, I would agree with most of what you write, TheCatWoman . My father was all, 'she'll get a job and start earning' whilst mother wanted the reflected 'glory' of my going to University - neither cared about what I wanted. I remember the NF [father was a member at one time, to my shame], skinheads and rioting in the city centre. Even the police had areas they were reluctant to attend.

But, I do see hope in Burnham and Rayner, who have an inkling of working class culture and values. I had a 40 year working life among middle class people, who assumed the working classes were like Eastenders characters and treated me with disdain or fear. When I spoke up for myself or a cause, you could see fear in their eyes - because I spoke with autistic passion and a strong West Midlands accent! The upper classes have confidence from their 'breeding' and don't need to be snobbish like many middle class women. I found a number who were pleasant when I met them, for example at country shows or meetings at SPAB [Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings] and never felt put down. I think many working class people have similar values to the 'uppers' so that kind of relationship can work. 

Society fluctuates and with social media and the like, I think it will be easier for younger people to protest their views and have a voice, more so than we had. They have better access to news and can form opinions - though influencers are a concern for the disaffected and easily led. I'm glad I lived when I did because in spite of the shortages and difficulties with income, life seemed quieter and more stable.