When I think about the UK

I worry about it. Without hopefully not getting a thread lock, I want you to just think about something.

If random people can enter the UK via the Engilsh Channel on a dinghy, they get rewarded with a house and money. 

What if they are criminals fleeing persecution?

Should they be allowed to roam free amongst our children without documents?

  • Around 70% of illegal immigrants to the UK have passed through an EU country beforehand. Before Brexit the UK was not open to as much illegal immigration, that is a fact. Other EU countries certainly were and still are, Greece and Italy especially. Before Brexit the UK was not near a border that was porous to non-EU citizens and the legal right to return immigrants to the first EU country they had entered, if not always perfectly enforced, was better than no right whatsoever, which is the current position.

  • Some politicians perpetuate myths that may be based on a little fact, but the fact may be a tiny percentage of the whole truth of the matter.

    Nigel Farage is a person who has perfected manipulation of the truth to a ‘high’ standard. He ignores the fact that most migrants to the UK are not criminals. When someone is charged with murder or rape, he rarely comments on it unless he perceives the person responsible to be non-white or of a religion other than Christianity. These accounts make front page news, and this further distorts the public’s perception of the facts.

  • You are right to be concerned about security in my opinion. But you won't get a sensible unbiased discussion online. The Dublin System does not work well, so Brexit is a bit of a red herring in my opinion. Other countries also face problems.

    Nothing will happen because it suits too many people to continue and no one wants to be unpopular. Eventually the money will run out and benefits and public services will need to be cut for all to pay for people to feel good about themselves.

    Our borders are porous so people get smuggled into Europe too now.

    There is a significant amount of organised crime involved.

  • Don't believe all the right wing agendas pushed by Farage et al. It's all lies.

  • I would be more inclined to worry about home-grown criminals, there are many more of them than ever sat in a boat in the English Channel. Though, of course crime rates have been falling nationwide. 

    Brexit was the cause of the small boat problem. Before Brexit, EU rules meant that the UK could deport any illegal immigrant back to the first EU country they had entered. Now we cannot do that. The people, like Farrage, who bleated so much about legal immigration from EU countries are the ones who caused the current problem with illegal immigration. This is hugely ironic to say the least.

    Personally, I find Farrage and his ilk of deeply financially and morally corrupt pseudo-patriots far more frightening than any Afghan fleeing the Taliban who managed to scrape up enough money to reach France and cross the channel in an overloaded rubber boat. 

    You have been sold a lie, a big fat one at that.

  • Hello, just to say no one is rewarded with a house for turning up in the UK. We have laws that protect people who are fleeing there country because of persecution, war and devastation. Possibly other reasons I can't think of. But these people have to be judged by a system to determine if they meet these criteria. If you look at the UK's asylum and refugee system there's a big back log so people who turn up without documentation are waiting for the outcome of their case here for a few years. They are put on bail conditions meaning they can't look for jobs and they are given a meagre allowance for food and essentials, it's something like 5 pound a day I can't remember the exact amount but there's a lot of misinformation online that they are given a lot of benefits and homes. They're given temporary accommodations and don't get to choose where, it just happens to be cheap hotels because that's who has contracts with the government. It's still an wasteful process. But I would say think of the alternative.

    Many people are refugees because they may be killed in their home country. In the case of criminals, I think there is more attentiveness then people roaming free without being documented by the state. I imagine some get through the cracks, I would have to research it but my general thought is the authorities do know and process people when they turn up by boat. The alternative to stop these boats could lead to tragedies as it already has in some cases where British and French didn't intervene with one of these boats that was sinking. 

    People escaping conflict and persecution are traumatized, maybe even from the journey, and also you have to think from the perspective of people's freedom and rights. Would it be right to detain said people? It's a difficult question and I would say probably not. The crime of refugees in this country is over blown in the news, if you compare crime rates of people who were born here, refugees are focused on disproportionately.

    Anyhow these are just some of my thoughts.