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If pro-independence parties win tomorrow

TheCatWoman

How likely do you think it is that the UK will break up?

Would you like to see independance of Scotland and Wales?

What of England, how would it react?

What would you see as a workable alternative to  control from Westminster?

Personally I'd be quite happy for the UK to break up and reform in a more equal way, maybe as a federation. 

I think it could drag our politics kicking and screaming into the 21stC.

I think it would be good if the devolved parliaments were given more powers and we all elect representatives to a reformed House of Lords that would oversee things that we could share, like defence, national security, national infrastructure ands things where it would be counter productive to have seperately. I think if that happened then there would also be calls for some Englsih regions to have more devolved powers too. I think the UK is quite unusual in its lack of regional devolution, other countries seem to be more regionally devolved but retain a strong national government.

I think England would be in uproar and would really hate it, when you live somewhere like Anglesey you get a real sense that many English people don't see us as a national with its own traditions and parliament that makes some rules, it feels like we're treated like a conquered people, even after 800 years. I say this as an English person. I do think England should have its own parliament to decide purely English issues as I agree with many English people that the current system feels unbalanced, it dosent' help that so many poeple are so poorly educated in politics.

 I guess we'll find out over the coming days and months how all this will play out

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  • England would be better off.

    If the other countries really want to leave, they should be careful what they wish for. England would play hard ball. No pound so they would need their own currency (not just my idea Bank of England has said so), or to adopt the euro which cones with lots of strings. National debt split, no clean slate for them. No pension and welfare money. I believe all would go bust in a year or two as the run large budget unsustainable budget deficits. Living standards will fall. Healthcare and benefits would have to be cut.

    If I remember rightly it was said for Scotland there would be a border. I assume the same would apply elsewhere.

    There would be different passports.

    Each would have to negotiate their own trade agreements. Economies of each are too small to have much leverage.

    Defence bases would move to England losing more revenue. Shipbuilding would move to England, it won't be in Scotland d for military vessels (this was stated in the last Scottish referendum).

    England would largely continue as it is. It would not be ideal though.

    Scotland would have to drill for oil.

    NI would have to merge with Ireland. I think Wales would just fail.

    It would not be good. It could be done, but it is a fantasy to think people would be better off.

    England would quite probably go right, probably even more than it is going to go anyway now.

    The main winners would be our enemies as overall influence would be less.

  • in reply to Stuart333

    Anglocentric but really Londoncentric thinking is the problem, all the business, money development gravitates around London. Scotland and Wales are beautiful countries but don’t bring anything to the party and so have nothing to lose, Scotland calling a referendum was an bad call before Brexit, it showed that they required their position with England for leverage.

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  • in reply to Stuart333

    Anglocentric but really Londoncentric thinking is the problem, all the business, money development gravitates around London. Scotland and Wales are beautiful countries but don’t bring anything to the party and so have nothing to lose, Scotland calling a referendum was an bad call before Brexit, it showed that they required their position with England for leverage.

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  • in reply to TheCatWoman

    It wasn’t a criticism it simply because London is an economic capital. It makes sense to stay unified as an island nation (I think we still are) and off mainland Europe.

    I think reform are dangerous for the country (uk) for the kind of people they attract. Scotland and Wales having national parties in power makes sense- most of us do not want an English nationalist party in power in England though.  

    Voting in London the outcome is nearly always the same if you do or not. 

  • in reply to pietro_21

    London sucks all the energy from the rest of the Britain, I think it's unfair to say Wales and Scotland dont' bring anything to the party, we're not given a chance too, nor for that matter are many parts of England.

    From what I remember the Scotland indie ref was before brexit was ever a thing, in fact many Scots voted against independence because they were told that it was guaranteed that they'd stay in the EU and not have apply as a seperate country, thats why so many Scots felt betrayed.

    Still I'm just glad that reform didn't get in here, plaid have a small majority, with reform 2nd but without enough support to do much damage, I hope.