Online Privacy Opinions and Thoughts

Hi All

Not sure how much people are aware but there has been an increasing amount of legislation either passed or being drafted that aims to make privacy less easy and giving more power to government to introduce surveillance measures.

For example in the EU there is the Chat Control bill which originally wanted to force mandatory scanning of all your private communications (see link): https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

There's also the age verification stuff which although I dislike it, I would be okay if ZKP based ID was allowed (zero-knowledge proofs), it basically allows one person to verify something is true without revealing the underling data. However at the moment this is not the case and its just AI face scans and government ID uploads which has already resulted in a breach (see link): https://discord.com/press-releases/update-on-security-incident-involving-third-party-customer-service

Some states in America also force age verification for downloading any smartphone app and I mean ANY APP.

Whats everyone's thoughts?

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  • social media and various other apps have been hijacking people's brains for a while now 

    I'd like governments to put more legislation into what is being allowed to be shared and promoted (hehe as long as politically their social democratic and green as that's my personal bias...)

    As for the other side of that in respect of monitoring and policing society... once upon a time local police knew who was dangerous in the neighbourhood generally and could physically keep an eye on them,  These days the electronic neighbourhood is world-wide and I think there is a need for protection...

    The genie is out of the bottle...

  • I don't have a problem with age verification there's stuff that young minds should not be exposed too, nor should those who innocently stumble across something.

    Don't many social media sites go through your address book on your phone or pooter to make connections between you and others?

  • Isn't that the same in the real world with teenagers, you can't be watching them 24/7?

  • There were amusing cases where Truth Social added AI to its platform and when asked qustions like "did Trump lose in 2020" it gave the factualy correct answer until the owners stepped in to make it answer in line with the "party line" on this and a range of other subjects

    So it gives the answer the person is looking for. 

    I only use it to find pointers to other references

    I use it for the same sort of thing too, and I often check the references it gives so as to be certain of its sources.

  • I read only yesterday that AI is continuing to show bias

    There were amusing cases where Truth Social added AI to its platform and when asked qustions like "did Trump lose in 2020" it gave the factualy correct answer until the owners stepped in to make it answer in line with the "party line" on this and a range of other subjects.

    I'm afraid AI is fundamentally flawed and I only use it to find pointers to other references rather than trusting it with answering a question reliable, whatever the platform.

  • Initially it seemed trained to be impartial and just give back facts now it’s a bit like an  petulant teenager.

  • We also have to be careful that AI dosen't end up causing a whole load of discrimination, by making sure it's unbiased.

    I read only yesterday that AI is continuing to show bias, and it is not picking up on people who are at serious risk of harm by themselves or by others. It is far too unsafe to be relied on except in tightly controlled environments for specific jobs such as assisting in the detection of some cancers and source academic papers that mention a specific topic and that sort of thing.   

  • I agree Iain all that stuff did happen, you've only got to think about why the NSPC was set up over 100 years ago, and the cases they deal with haven't changed that much either. But where I have to disagree with you, is that the internet adds a whiole other level, like I said, you'd see adult magazines that had blown off a dust cart, but rarely hard porn. Poison pen letters existed, but they took some effort, now there seem to be keyboard warriors everywhere goading each other and being really really horrible and creating a climate of fear, or if you prefer creating an even bigger hole for all that nastiness to swill about in.

    I'm glad that that things like child abuse are being talked about and recognised, there's a lot thats good about the internet and probably AI too, but theres a lot of bad too and at the moment the bad seems to outweigh the good. We also have to be careful that AI dosen't end up causing a whole load of discrimination, by making sure it's unbiased.

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  • I agree Iain all that stuff did happen, you've only got to think about why the NSPC was set up over 100 years ago, and the cases they deal with haven't changed that much either. But where I have to disagree with you, is that the internet adds a whiole other level, like I said, you'd see adult magazines that had blown off a dust cart, but rarely hard porn. Poison pen letters existed, but they took some effort, now there seem to be keyboard warriors everywhere goading each other and being really really horrible and creating a climate of fear, or if you prefer creating an even bigger hole for all that nastiness to swill about in.

    I'm glad that that things like child abuse are being talked about and recognised, there's a lot thats good about the internet and probably AI too, but theres a lot of bad too and at the moment the bad seems to outweigh the good. We also have to be careful that AI dosen't end up causing a whole load of discrimination, by making sure it's unbiased.

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  • There were amusing cases where Truth Social added AI to its platform and when asked qustions like "did Trump lose in 2020" it gave the factualy correct answer until the owners stepped in to make it answer in line with the "party line" on this and a range of other subjects

    So it gives the answer the person is looking for. 

    I only use it to find pointers to other references

    I use it for the same sort of thing too, and I often check the references it gives so as to be certain of its sources.

  • I read only yesterday that AI is continuing to show bias

    There were amusing cases where Truth Social added AI to its platform and when asked qustions like "did Trump lose in 2020" it gave the factualy correct answer until the owners stepped in to make it answer in line with the "party line" on this and a range of other subjects.

    I'm afraid AI is fundamentally flawed and I only use it to find pointers to other references rather than trusting it with answering a question reliable, whatever the platform.

  • We also have to be careful that AI dosen't end up causing a whole load of discrimination, by making sure it's unbiased.

    I read only yesterday that AI is continuing to show bias, and it is not picking up on people who are at serious risk of harm by themselves or by others. It is far too unsafe to be relied on except in tightly controlled environments for specific jobs such as assisting in the detection of some cancers and source academic papers that mention a specific topic and that sort of thing.