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We Are the Normal Ones - And the Outside World are the Fruit-Loops

Desmond1979

Having heard about the Train Stabbing, last night, I can safely assume that we're the level-headed ones.

Perhaps our way of living spared us from the savagery out there. We know how to process ills better. Rather than lash out, we find other outlets for satisfaction.

Some Inner-City areas, in our country, would make the Third World Squirm. A society trained, like dogs, to attack at will.

The problem is Centralised Planning. Trying to make every town and city the same. In the end, they lost their sense of character. Too many aspiring architects, with connections, ruining everything.

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  • Desmond1979 said:
    Some Inner-City areas, in our country, would make the Third World Squirm.

    I'm guessing you haven't been to any third world countries to see their down-at-heel neighbourhoods.

    It will put your concerns into context and realise that it is still pretty civilised if you can see beyond the scaremongering and ragebaiting of the tabloid press or social media.

    I've seen stuff in Indonesia and Morrocco that make the slums of Birmingham or South London look like Chelsea.

    There is a lot to be improved certainly but we are not nearly as bad as the press would have us believe.

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    Iain said:
    I'm guessing you haven't been to any third world countries to see their down-at-heel neighbourhoods.

    I'm sure they were speaking figuratively, but in any case, it is wrong to compare ourselves to other nations: we should compare ourselves to what we are capable of... although be careful doing that, when I do it for myself I find I fall so short that I start getting depressed about it.

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    Hairyloon said:
    it is wrong to compare ourselves to other nations:

    I remember years ago, a staff member who suggested the school I was teaching in was like something out of a third world country (It was a complaint about a general lack of pupil and staff resources). A staff member who was originally from Somalia suggested that the person could take a look at the reality of living in some of the least developed countries in the world. Hearing the school compared to a third world country made me feel bad because the issue of limited resources had been exaggerated out of all proportion, and they didn’t reflect reality. Also, it was undermining the experience of the person from Somalia.

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  • in reply to Hairyloon
    Hairyloon said:
    it is wrong to compare ourselves to other nations:

    I remember years ago, a staff member who suggested the school I was teaching in was like something out of a third world country (It was a complaint about a general lack of pupil and staff resources). A staff member who was originally from Somalia suggested that the person could take a look at the reality of living in some of the least developed countries in the world. Hearing the school compared to a third world country made me feel bad because the issue of limited resources had been exaggerated out of all proportion, and they didn’t reflect reality. Also, it was undermining the experience of the person from Somalia.

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  • in reply to ArchaeC

    I agree, the alternatives are worse, we could get lucky and have some kind of benign dictatorship, but then every person who lives to have power over others would hate it and try and overthrow the benign dicator.

    I do think politics has become harder to enter, it seems that there are far fewer ordinary people in politics and the situation of women in politics is particularly toxic. All the keyboard warriors making rape and death threats is bad enough, but there are far to many "credible threats".

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    Desmond1979 said:
    Seeing the failures of Democracy, and the inability of society to adapt to changing demographics, made me realise that 'Cater to the Greater' won't maintain peaceful coexistence.

    Where have you observed democracy to suggest that it has failed?

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    Desmond1979 said:
    Politics is a closed shop

    That is largely true—politics is brutal.

    Democracy might be less attractive for some, but the alternatives are worse.

  • in reply to ArchaeC

    Alas, Politics is a closed shop. Much like other Industries here. It isn't what you know, but who you know. Look how Blair got into the Labour Party. Creating State Capitalism, as opposed to a Free Market; or even a Socialist Society. A halfway house.

    I view myself as Post-Political. Seeing the failures of Democracy, and the inability of society to adapt to changing demographics, made me realise that 'Cater to the Greater' won't maintain peaceful coexistence. We should govern ourselves.

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    I haven’t grasped exactly what you are saying. 

    Desmond1979 said:
    The Developing World now view China and Russia with Rose-Tinted Glasses

    I think countries have been playing a balancing act with Chinese/Russian relationships for many years before the Russian/Ukraine War and before BRIC was a thing. Unfortunately, we rely on China for much of our technology, and politicians seem obliged to say nice things about people they rely on, even if they don’t think nice sentiments at all. 

    I don’t like the political developments since Trump’s first presidency, but I don’t know how the UK can change things quickly, given its reliance on the US. However, I would like politicians and representatives of all countries involved to stop making personalised insults and untruthful statements. 

    Desmond1979 said:
    The Developing World now view China and Russia with Rose-Tinted Glasses. While Christians in those countries face an onslaught of persecution

    The largest religious tradition in Russia is that of the Russian Orthodox Church. It is estimated that around 65-70% of people are professed Christians.

    According to some sources, China has persecuted many Christians and the Catholic Church is strictly controlled. China generally has a poor human rights record and people of all faiths and none can be subject to persecution and tight controls.

    Desmond1979 said:
    Third World Countries are now turning towards the BRICS Alliance, for Economic Development, as they associate us Western Nations with Invasions and Bombs

    Some may think that, but some developing countries have had little choice but to turn to other countries for support as Trump stopped foreign aid without any warning. It was an inhumane and cruel thing to do, given that foreign aid was less than 1% of the federal budget - a small fraction of the overall economy of such a rich country.

    Desmond1979 said:
    You can't hate our Political Class enough.

    What is our Political Class? I don’t understand who you mean by “our” or who you refer to as the “Political Class”. 

  • in reply to ArchaeC

    Third World Countries are now turning towards the BRICS Alliance, for Economic Development, as they associate us Western Nations with Invasions and Bombs.

    In a way, that makes things even worse for us. The Developing World now view China and Russia with Rose-Tinted Glasses. While Christians in those countries face an onslaught of persecution, our cause isn't helped by Western Indifference.

    You can't hate our Political Class enough.