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Big Fat Rant: What is ASD

Elan

I'm having a rant. Bear with me.

Great you have ASD, we don't know what it is, we don't know what causes it, we don't know how to diagnose it, we don't know how to catergorise it, (change 'we don't know' to 'we disgree on' if it makes you feel better) but you have it, good luck.

Pyschatry, the DSM, Baron-Cohen are fluffy enough, but trying to grasp anything definitive from the hypothesis, abstractions, speculation and incomplete data out there is something else entirely, I wonder if the fluff of ASD is just giving people jobs.

What /is/ ASD?

Is it a word for quirky people whose accompanying commobidities means they require support?

Is ASD it's own commbodities e.g. PD, ID, MD, ND, LD, SD, AD, GC which taken together equate interactional difficulties? ~

Is it a collection of disorders whose symptons just happen to be very similar?

Is it the result of an interruption in usual brain development?

Is it an altnerative form of common brain development? 

Why is it a disability?

Does anyone even know?

It's so fluffy to me. In terms of agreement I see ony 3 unanimous phrases: 

difficultuties with interacting, hetergenity, (brain) developmental problem. 

To unpack - 1 major characteristic is difficulty with interacting. And then the hetergenity of ASD means you could have a few, to several to none of the other commonly associated characteristics -which in themselves would show up in a variety of ways according to the individual and to varying degrees on top of that.

Right now to me this is looking like a fun interpretitve guessing game for a doctor  

However the reson for this difficulty interacting is meant to lie in something wrong happening in the brain of an ASD person while it was still developing - but who gets their brain checked when they are being diagnosed? Right, it's down to your doctors opinion, maybe if you're unlucky even their mood. In fact ASD is often called a syndrome, I asked wiki what a syndrom is, here's what it said:

'A syndrome, in medicine and psychology, is the collection of signs and symptoms that are observed in, and characteristic of, a single condition.' So basically you're depending on your doctors observational and interpreting skills--well good luck--might as well go to an astrologer.

There are so many theories my head hurts, lets hope that if your doctor is farmilar with any, it's the one you can actually relate to -

Androgen Theory

Theory of Mind

Executive Function

Weak Central Coherance

Multiple defciet account

Female Protective Model (chromosone version vs wiring version)

Social Bias Theory 

There's the risk factors to take your pick from too

Epigenetics (a number of genes whose combination increase suscetability)

Inheritance

Prenatal to childhood theories inc:

Parental age

Illness

Exposure to particular substences/chemicals/hormones 

Childbirth complications

GI

Nutrition

It's a bloody study discipline isn't it? Individuals go undiagnosed, the diagnosed go poorly supported or unsupported and then we just have fluff, lot's of talk of fluff, fluffity fluffity fluffity-

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~ Physical Disability, Intellectual Disability, Learning Disability, Mental Disorder, Neurological Disorders (e.g. epilepsy), Sensory Disorders, Attention Disorder, Genetic Conditions
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  • That was some rant > >

    NAS18906 said:

    All of the extra problems you talk about are common problems for people with asd. they don't however help with the clinical diagnosis of asd.

    That clinical diagnosis though...the core of the rant for me was that essentially it depends on an enlightened doctor engaged with a solid body of knowledge neither of which exsist are easy to come by, in fact you'd have a better time just playing the lottery at least that game of chance doesn't depend on someones random opinion of me

    ha ha ha XD @mdagli1 that made my day.

    I honestly think topics like ASD are used to validate the self-importance of people whose jobs are primarilly to fluff. Like I just read a spin doctor article about how money needs to be spent more on research (rather than care) -- more research -- really? To research what? How to get the definitions in the DSM to rhyme more? To figure out how much more journal time you can wring out of how much penis an ASD brain has? Do we need more light up show studies where the people get the people to look at the pretty shapes? 

    I wonder if the fluff of ASD is just giving people jobs.

    I'm repeating myself.

    The thing about the definitions is, not all of them mention the full Triad, the most consistently mentioned member of the Triad is the communication difficulties (I reword it as interacting in my rant), the SD, LD, EF and MD Longman mentions is essentially the rest of the pick and mix of comorbidities that may or may not appear in varying ways and degrees in the individual. The rest of the triad appear secondary and the rest of the rest is the pick n mix, which is fair enough no two people with ASD are exactly the same. However the second most consistent thing appearing in the definitions is developmental---something is wrong with the brain, that makes you communicate, not up to scratch, or something. So I would love to know what this wrong thing is because nobody checks your brain---they check you, then give you their opinion. And god help you if it's not the right one. I think they're something wrong with their brains.

    To be honest though, they need /something/ even if it's the Triad. The Tossers.

    Also forgive me for my spelling, it sucks

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  • That was some rant > >

    NAS18906 said:

    All of the extra problems you talk about are common problems for people with asd. they don't however help with the clinical diagnosis of asd.

    That clinical diagnosis though...the core of the rant for me was that essentially it depends on an enlightened doctor engaged with a solid body of knowledge neither of which exsist are easy to come by, in fact you'd have a better time just playing the lottery at least that game of chance doesn't depend on someones random opinion of me

    ha ha ha XD @mdagli1 that made my day.

    I honestly think topics like ASD are used to validate the self-importance of people whose jobs are primarilly to fluff. Like I just read a spin doctor article about how money needs to be spent more on research (rather than care) -- more research -- really? To research what? How to get the definitions in the DSM to rhyme more? To figure out how much more journal time you can wring out of how much penis an ASD brain has? Do we need more light up show studies where the people get the people to look at the pretty shapes? 

    I wonder if the fluff of ASD is just giving people jobs.

    I'm repeating myself.

    The thing about the definitions is, not all of them mention the full Triad, the most consistently mentioned member of the Triad is the communication difficulties (I reword it as interacting in my rant), the SD, LD, EF and MD Longman mentions is essentially the rest of the pick and mix of comorbidities that may or may not appear in varying ways and degrees in the individual. The rest of the triad appear secondary and the rest of the rest is the pick n mix, which is fair enough no two people with ASD are exactly the same. However the second most consistent thing appearing in the definitions is developmental---something is wrong with the brain, that makes you communicate, not up to scratch, or something. So I would love to know what this wrong thing is because nobody checks your brain---they check you, then give you their opinion. And god help you if it's not the right one. I think they're something wrong with their brains.

    To be honest though, they need /something/ even if it's the Triad. The Tossers.

    Also forgive me for my spelling, it sucks

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