Brilliant John Gray interview in the New Statesman.

This is a brilliant interview and discussion with John Gray making many excellent points. Which I would like to discuss with people. If anyone can make it through the whole 80 minute interview. 

I am a High Tory, supporter of the Aristocratic High state being restored. So I support the overthrow of the Liberal managerial state and restoring Parliament, the common law, the Royal Navy so on. 

What I find really interesting is that Mr Gray makes all the right points I would make as a High Tory about the current Liberal consensus with live under and the need for Parliamentary accountability to be restored. I also agree with him the Thomas Hobbs was a form of Liberal. 

Its also because I want more Liberal minded members on here to question there Liberalism from a left-wing perspective. I can question it from a right-wing perspective, but I don't know how to do that from the left-wing side. Any discussion on these important topics within society and the depth of learning, knowledge, experience of Mr Gray is a good starting point for this. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvDXwjeMB_k  

Thanks. 

Parents
  • I have read your post and the various replies and comments with a mixture of deep amusement and absolute horror. As a woman, the thought of returning to a patriarchal society makes me feel uncomfortable. As a mother and someone who was once a child, the thought of child labour also causes me to feel uncomfortable. It's one thing if a teenager actively wants to do a paper round, or take on a Saturday job to earn a bit of extra pocket money, but if you're suggesting child labour be compulsory, then it is not a view I share.

    The only thing I possibly do agree with is your view of modern state education. There is much my parents were taught at school that I wasn't, and there is much I was taught that my adult son wasn't. It seems to have been the case for decades that if it's predicted that there will be a shortage of skilled employees in a particular profession, the education system will prioritise teaching the subjects required for those professions. This is all well and good for students who may wish to pursue a career in those professions and/or have have an interest in those subjects. For those who aren't suited to academia and/or have no idea what they think they would like to do job-wise when they leave compulsory education, it's a problem.

    Even if I choose not to do so, I would hate to lose my right to vote. If I was faced with the prospect of having an unelected dictator that couldn't be held to account, I think I'd be wanting to flee the UK. For me, the kind of society you strongly appear to desire is my idea of a living nightmare. 

  • Cool username, I like it. I am not surprised by your reaction, I don't like my views in terms of the idea of them. I am opposed to the patriarchy and have been limited by it in my own life. I actually like and respect women, there intellect and emotions, in the patriarchy that is rejected often. In terms of child labor, of course I am talking about part time work for children like paper rounds or doing jobs with there family sometimes and getting paid for. I think children should be allowed to leave school at 13 if they have paid work or apprenticeships to go into. 

    The problem with modern state education is that its based on DEI and equality, not on preparing men and women for death, that they may live a just and moral life. That was the purpose of the classical Christian education system, which should be implemented from the age of 5 until 15. With the less academically capable people going to work schemes at the age of 11 and the smarter children going into academic aspects of education. The problem is sex integration of education has been a disaster, having selection at 16 rather than 11 has been a disaster and the push for more people to go to university has ruining that entire sector of the economy. I myself with my autism really struggled in school because I like being by myself and other people dis-regulate me, so my brain struggled to function, but I am actually highly aware person. 

    However my focus isn't on the minority aspect of society, but the majority of Neuro-typical people, what they need to function best and achieve positive outcomes for them. Lord Salisbury/Tesla/Newton were all autistic, in a deeply hierarchical High Aristocratic society and they achieved amazing things which changed our understanding of the world. 

    I don't vote anymore because I don't want to consent to what the state is doing. We have never had a unelected dictator in Britain, apart from Cromwell who overthrew the High state. Its a non-sequitur in the case of Britain that we would have a dictatorship without universal voting rights. 

    In WW1 the Liberal low state murdered 1,000,000 British men, conscripted and genocided them, it did the same thing again in WW2 to the tune of 400,000 men. In 30 years from 1990-2020 an estimated 100,000 English children were groomed, raped and sold into sex slavery by criminal gangs operating within the South Asian/Muslim community, dozens of children/family members were murdered by these gangs, this was covered up and denied by the Liberal state for decades in the name of anti-racism ideology. The Liberal state has bankrupt Britain 2 times, likely a third time soon. We have gone from the most powerful, richest, freest country on the face of the earth to a impoverish, weak fractured country since the 1906 general election. I am trying to come up with a way to end the Liberal state and replace it with something preferable. The best thing I can think of is to restore the old ruling class/structure of the state which is more honest and functions as intended. 

    I hope you can understand where I am coming from here. Thanks. 

  • Thank you for taking the time to explain your views. Whilst I don't entirely agree or understand some of them, it is reassuring to at least know that you weren't suggesting child labour be mandatory. 

    To my mind, preparing people for death strikes me as rather maudlin. Whilst I consider it a good thing that discussions about death and dying are no longer the taboo subjects they once were, I believe the education system should be about equipping students with the knowledge and skills required for living life to the best of their abilities.

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  • Thank you for taking the time to explain your views. Whilst I don't entirely agree or understand some of them, it is reassuring to at least know that you weren't suggesting child labour be mandatory. 

    To my mind, preparing people for death strikes me as rather maudlin. Whilst I consider it a good thing that discussions about death and dying are no longer the taboo subjects they once were, I believe the education system should be about equipping students with the knowledge and skills required for living life to the best of their abilities.

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  • One thing I have notice is 'left-wing' people think the right-wing are monsters who want to do things which we ourselves would consider abhorrent. It was the High Tories in the 1840's-50's who passed the laws to protect children from the Liberal industrialists and working down mines. I think it comes from a lack of actual debate with 'right-wing' people. 

    Part of wisdom and virtue are understanding that you will die, so you need to live your life accordingly. Right now school is about getting into work or uni, people learn nothing about themselves who they are as individual personalities. You get to that through experience and thinking about your life.