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I sometimes feel sorry for employers

Zyphullen


First don't get me wrong, I've worked in 5 different factory's 2 supermarkets and many other jobs and each and every one over the years i was severely discriminated against for being different and looking different! so I've felt the full thing like many of us but sometimes i feel sorry for employers where they can never win, either sued/legal actions taken against them for not employing autistic people or risk of discrimination claims against the company for not following the laws due to other normal people, working for them running on the animal Hierarchy system where it;s fine to demean people below them but if you do the same as them to fit in you're the bad person!

so my solution which will come across as discrimination in itself ( but i personally would not say it is! ) if the employer is big enough separate Nuros from autistic in the work place and keep them from interacting with each other, because lets be honest/realistic by now it's proof it can never be healthy for either party or employer, it's better to not employ us due to the risk of lawsuits! but if we can separate them there be far less issues for both of us!

what do you think? ( I apologies if this comes across the wrong way, my intention is not to harm anyone but to find a working solution for both party's ).

 

  • I've just received the automated 'congratulations' message for 28 long years with my one and only employer. I do feel a little sympathy toward my immediate line management, but less than zero for anyone above. Big companies are all about show and very little 'go': they want to appear trendy and modern by posting internally about ND needs, 'fostering' fair environments etc.etc. The practicalities are left to some kid with absolutely no power or influence to do anything.

  • in reply to Mr T

    yeah solicitors... ow don't get me started on them... i had a friend from a club i used to go to that new all legal stuff and would not help me because of it, and made it out to be my own fault and someone else said ( it was my own fault, that i was the problem ) e.g 1 vs 100 case, 1 truth will always lose against 100 people lying! 

    like you said solicitors only care about 1 thing and 1 thing only MONEY! my Grandma passed last year and family members are trying to claim her house yet they were not in the WILL! since they stole 70k from grandma after grandad passed away 5 years prior and my dad has had to fork out over 10k in legal battle so far, while the other said has a no-win-no-fee solicitor.... but i bet behind closed doors both solicitors are working together to extend the case as long as possible to make as much money as possible! it makes me sick! but i did hear some years ago the highest ratio of psychopaths work as solicitors ( might not be true! but i kinda feels like it at times ) anyways sorry for the rant it just hurt! the whole world is against us at every turn. 

  • Zyphullen said:
    if the employer is big enough separate Nuros from autistic in the work place and keep them from interacting with each other, because lets be honest/realistic by now it's proof it can never be healthy for either party or employer

    I suspect this sort of segregation would be breaking a discrimination law in itself. While it may be done with good intention, it is isolating and treating us differently when I think most of us want to be able to just co-exist peacefully.

    I've been a manager of a ND staff member who couldn't work due to continuous burnuts and after 2 years of not coming to work and showing no sign of improving I was ordered to sack them for this.

    The HR team processed all the legal stuff of notice, just cause etc etc.

    It's a touch one but sometimes we just don't make financial sense to employers because of our predisposition to long absences.

    Of course changing our work environment is one way to improve this but we seem to have such a range of sensitivities that there is no clear way forward for most managers without significant changes in how teams work and interact and the effort to do this will often outweigh the effort of just finding another NT member of staff.

    Employers are not charities so is it reasonable to expect them to bend over backwards for our needs beyond what is legally required? 

    Something to discuss.

  • The protections that are in place are only really face value. Employers can always find a way to get round the edges of discrimination. The employment tribunal system is available to all but is very complicated if you try to do it yourself and a lack of self confidence does not help. You may ask yourself, surely my union will fight my case (if you are a member) or I have legal protection on my home insurance.

    Sadly a lot of people find that neither is interested in fighting for you. I have it on good authority that a union lawyer has said the employer has a defence so not taking it forward or an insurance company finds a loophole or will claim the case is unlikely to succeed. The issue is all down to cost as it seems that they only want open and shut cases which gives them a guaranteed way to make money.

  • I do feel sorry for employers but not for this reasons my reason is employing staff on good recommendations only for said staff to be useless but they cant fire them unless many things add up

    but then on the flip side if that person is autistic and had told them mabie said uselessness could be a part of a barrier that needs working through so mabie it’s good that theres protections in place too