Angels

Does anyone believe in angels?

What do you believe them to be?

What about nefilim, the half human half angel hybrids that the Great Flood from the bible was supposed to have wiped out?

I find the whole subject fascinating, quite a few cultures have angels in thier religious beliefs, some of them not from an Abrahamic tradition. 

As someone said on another thread, do angels have the equipment to procreate?

Lucifer who was said to have been cast out of heaven by god along with his followers and went to hell and became the devil and demons etc, did hell already exist? Was it vacant when Lucifer took up residence there? A Lucifer figure appears in many religions and myths to, whats-his-face being punnished for giving humans fire and the other one who pushes a rock up a hill everyday only for it to roll back down every night and the one who has his liver pecked out by and eagle on a daily basis, why do we need these transgressive figures who appear to want to aid human development only to be punished by god who seemingly dosen't want us to develope?

There are also lots of myths about Watchers, Grigori and others who are the decendents of the Nephilim and keep watch ove rthe earth and certain individials and maybe bloodlines?

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  • Yes, I believe in angels. They are pure spirit and they don't have bodies. I am Catholic, so we have many many books on the angels and teachings. We each have an angel, called a guardian angel. We do not name our angel, ever. He is superior to us, a little like a governess (that children had in the past) and much more intelligent than we are. He protects us, guides us and leads us to do good (what we are made for) and if we comply with him, we will go to heaven and be with him forever. If we don't listen to him and damn ourselves, we'll go to hell and he will go back to heaven. He only has one charge. He was given the choice by God to love you, his vocation for want of a better word. You also have angels for families, countries, institutions. There are 9 choirs of angel, each ascending choir is 3x larger than the one before, the lowet choir is gaurdian angels - each person who has ever existed has had their own guardian angel and each person who exists will have one too. This makes for a very large amount of angels. Only the lowest two choirs of angels have dealings with humans - the others all worship God and do His bidding - which is mostly taking care of us and our the world. 

    There are fallen angels of whom the leader is Satan (also called Lucifier or Beelezbab - he has 3 names to mock the Blessed Trinity- God) and he is in hell. He can only come out and tempt people, along wiht his demons, with God's permission. God is the overall boss. Satan nor any demons can do anything without his says so. God allows demons to tempt, oppress, obessess or possess us for our good. We fight and become holy or at least holier. Our angel helps us battle evil. At the beginning of creation - the angels were given a test - they were shown Christ and His descent on earth and had to choose to accept this or not. Satan and his demons would not worship God in human form and said they will not serve. Satan partically was jealous because God came to earth in a woman's womb and he wanted to be the womb God would use to come to earth and could not stand to see a human given such honour above him. Angels have perfect knowledge and so they were given this one test and those that would serve are in heaven now enjoying the beatific vision. Those who would not, are in hell suffering unimaginable torment. 

    Interestingly, it is believed that one group of the fallen angels (demons) had the duty of caring for trees and so now in hell they would try to destroy them, by getting humans to destroy them. 

  • Hi I find what you have wrote interesting. I went from Catholic schools from 4 to 19 in London and at secondary school we just bought our own Bible and I myself had a standard type like KJV. We wasn’t told to buy Catholic Bible’s either. We never learnt at school about guardian angels, although I did learn about Saints and things like divine mercy.  There isn’t thing I disagree about Catholism today and sometimes still attend my Catholic primary school. Was Baptised in a Saint Catherine Siena church.

    About guardian angels...as Christians when we are baptised we have our holy spirit and the Holy Spirit in heaven speaks to our spirit which any word of message they want to they can pass it onto us from God. What further role do you think a guardian could serve past that. Sometimes myself I have thought that I have someone out there who speaks out things to me directly but I think they could be a Saint in immortal heaven in heaven and everyone who is in Heaven is considered a Saint....To me that could be the role of a guardian. May be that could be a guardian. I know Psalms mentioning about angels protecting us like as we sleep etc.

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  • Hi I find what you have wrote interesting. I went from Catholic schools from 4 to 19 in London and at secondary school we just bought our own Bible and I myself had a standard type like KJV. We wasn’t told to buy Catholic Bible’s either. We never learnt at school about guardian angels, although I did learn about Saints and things like divine mercy.  There isn’t thing I disagree about Catholism today and sometimes still attend my Catholic primary school. Was Baptised in a Saint Catherine Siena church.

    About guardian angels...as Christians when we are baptised we have our holy spirit and the Holy Spirit in heaven speaks to our spirit which any word of message they want to they can pass it onto us from God. What further role do you think a guardian could serve past that. Sometimes myself I have thought that I have someone out there who speaks out things to me directly but I think they could be a Saint in immortal heaven in heaven and everyone who is in Heaven is considered a Saint....To me that could be the role of a guardian. May be that could be a guardian. I know Psalms mentioning about angels protecting us like as we sleep etc.

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  • Angels can do many things - they can move matter, so you or your body parts - they can put thoughts in your head (though not read your thoughts unless you talk to them, then God passes them on so to speak. They can do nothing without God's permission. In my experience, they protect you and show you God's goodness and love, my angel will even thread a needle with me when I ask, or help me keep my balance whilst I kneel for communion, he helps me remember my prayers both to do them and the words, he nudges me to pray for someone or to remember to ask God for help. He protects me from intrusive or evil thoughts - demons can also put thoughts in your head - you just reject them in Jesus name. Ask your angel to teach you how to make use of his help 

    Here's an expert on angels from someone who works with the opposite 

    (832) “Guardian Angels Explained | On Angels, Protection & Spiritual Guidance” ~ Fr Ripperger - YouTube

    Yep my school didn't teach me alot about the faith either - it's so beautiful and always more to learn. I hope you come to mass and go forward in learning about your faith. This priest above has many very interesting talks especially on virtue.