Ship and a boat, something I've never found a satisfactory answer too. I suspect many of you will get an Ai answer but is that going to be right?
Ship and a boat, something I've never found a satisfactory answer too. I suspect many of you will get an Ai answer but is that going to be right?
If your in shark infested waters then your gunna need a bigger boat
so in that sense rhe line your gunna need a bigger ship wouldn’t of sounded as good haha
In Latin it would be a navis longa.
The largest vessel normally carried on another vessel would be a landing craft, for landing troops, tanks, supplies and other equipment on a hostile shore. They are carried on a large vessel, usually called an assault ship. The floating dry dock can be very large, large enough to carry a very large ship for repair. Although it floats, it is not a vessel, as it is not self-propelled, being reliant on tugs to move, so would not be classed as a ship itself.
Wow, so many different answers. If it's a ship because it can carry a boat, then is something like an aircraft carrier the only real ship type as its capable of carrying most other ships? Do those ships then become boats?
In the days of sailing ships the formal requirement for a vessel to be a ship was that it had to have three masts (each made up of more than one pole) and that each mast had to have at least one square sail on it. Any other rig and it was not a ship. It could be a snow, lugger, cutter, schooner, ketch, brig, brigantine, polacre, barque, barquentine etc. etc., but not a ship.
Not sure the Med is normally considered an ocean.
Whatever, I'm not sure what you gain by trying to retrospectively force fit a modern word from a language that did not exist then to a vessel. It was called a trireme.
So an ocean going vessel that powered by oars is a what?
If it is big enough for sustained voyages (ie sea going, not just sea near to coast) then it would be a ship.
To consider a row boat suitable to do this is unreasonable as the first big wave would probably capsize it. A triremes ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trireme ) would be a ship however as it could navigate seas / oceans of a modest size.
So an ocean going vessel that powered by oars is a what? Thinking of triremes and the vessels that ancient peoples used to cross open water with no land in sight?
Thats what I thought, that there was no formal definition
There is a legal definition:
https://opil.ouplaw.com/display/10.1093/law:epil/9780199231690/law-9780199231690-e1197
This points out the differnt standards used for the definition and the range of definitions of what a ship isn't.
As you point out there is no definitive or absolute definition as there have been many competing standards used through the ages.
In general a ship is a sea going vessel (I believe this to mean it can be capable of long voyages over the sea). Everything else is just a boat (self propelled) or craft (pushed / pulled).
There is lots of greyness in the definitions.
Thats what I thought, that there was no formal definition.
I looked on Lloyds register, but the insurers don't seem to care what it's called particularly, only that it's seaworthy.
Some benchmark figures are 60m long, 500 tonnes, intended for sea use, not coastal or inland waterways. Carrying passengers or freight is not important.
There is no formal definition.
I don't really know but I think when it's large it's considered a ship and when it's small like a fishing boat it's just a boat. Having said that I used to go fishing with my grandad and he called his fishing boat a ship. But I think that was just wishful thinking on his part.
I've never put much though into it but I've always assumed that a ship is larger than a boat. I've always thought it was that simple.
They would of been refered to in the language of the peoples using them, what they meant by what they called them is another matter.
