I'm new and need advice please

Hello everyone

I wish I'd done this before. I have a daughter, Phoebe, she's 11 and has Aspergers. She was an Irish dancer from May 2008 until March this year. It was her life. Until she started dancing she couldn't walk down stairs properly and struggled to coordinate her movements. She dedicated herself to her dance and went on to win many medals and several trophies.

The woman who runs the dance school is a difficult person. She doesn't get on well with people so as parents we try to help our children as best we can so they don't get into trouble with her - every parent has had their problems with her at one time or another and many have left because of it.

In March there was a special show after a competition she run annually. There were costumes, hastily made with hats, the majority of which had thin very tight elastic around the neck. One hour before they were due on stage the costumes were being fitted and they tried to get Phoebe to wear one of these hats. The elastic was way too short and the children complained they couldn't cope with it under their chin.  There was an alternative hat with cotton under the chin. Phoebe became incredibly distressed, she cannot cope with anything tight around her neck. Due to her distress and the need to sort the costumes out eventually she was given the alternative hat. The dance teacher was not present throughout this.

At the next dance class I tried to approach the teacher to explain what had happened so she could understand Phoebe's condition better. She would not listen to me, kept walking away saying she knew different, it was just bad behaviour. When I persisted she said that unless Phoebe can be the same as everyone else there was no point her coming back. She then called the parents and dancers into the hall and gave a speech about how being a part of a team meant you didn't think of yourself, how 'we can all think we've got a disability' and how she used to teach a child with a brain tumour who didn't complain (apparently it wasn't a tumour but a childhood brain haemorrhage and the child often became distressed). She made a huge fuss of the girl who have Phoebe the hat and kept saying she shouldn't have had to do that and how it spoiled the look of the show. I took Phoebe home after this. She was devastated and in her words, totally humiliated. 

A week later the teacher put an offensive remark on my facebook page during a conversation with another mother of a child with AS. When I complained she gave copies of my email to everyone and made a joke of it.

Since then the dancers have blanked Phoebe. The teacher lectured them about loyalty and threatened to take them off her facebook page if they kept me on theirs. None of them have since contacted Phoebe and with the exception of two the parents have turned their back on both of us. Those who still keep in touch do so despite threats and pressure from the teacher and not one would defend us publicly.

I tried the legal route; Disability Discrimination Act but she ignored my letters and a solicitor advised me that to proceed risked high financial cost and putting Phoebe on the witness stand. I knew no one at the dance school would stand up for us because it would mean instant expulsion and more frightening threats from the teacher.

She runs her own association and there is no one to report her to. When I met with our MP and there was a press article about it she actually joined a facebook support group for parents of autistic children, telling the organiser that she was planning something in the future but of course this was just her trying to cover herself.

I have tried to support Phoebe as best I can but the loss of her dance is huge. She has had stress eczema ever since and because of the loss of her friends will not try other  irish dance school because she feels its unlucky - more bad things will happen.

It's just when I see the huge support for that poor child who was asked to leave a London Theatre and the momentum this campaign has gained from the efforts of his parents I feel ashamed I could not do more and that this woman is still teaching and risking more damage. Is there anything more I can do? I'm just so sad for her.

I'm sorry this is such a long post. I will try to be shorter in the future!

Thank you for listening

Liz

  • I was so sorry to hear about what your daughter went through at this dance school.  There are so many ignorant and unsupportive people out there and I do hope your daughter is able to put her experience behind her soon. 

    There is a fantastic dance and acting group near us called the Mushroom Theatre.  The children and young adults of all abilites and disabilities are encouraged to work together.  They put on the most wonderful and inspirational shows - truly professional. 

    www.mushroomtheatrecompany.co.uk/equalpeople.html

    I hope this is of some encouragement to you that there are people out there who understand.

  • Hi Homeward Bound

    I have posted below the link for the helpline.  They should be able to provide you with advice and / or point you in the right direction to get legal advice with regard to the dance school.  Your daughter could be entitled to legal aid which would help pay some if not all of the legal fees.  The problem is finding a solicitor who deals with these matters who does legal aid.  Government cutbacks have affected this area as well

    http://www.autism.org.uk/Our-services/Advice-and-information-services/Autism-Helpline.aspx

    Help this helps

    Good luck

    ColinCa

  • Hi

     

    Hope you are settling in oK and nice to see you back posting. I expect it will take time for your daughter to settle into a new place and get used to all the new noises (both in the house and at the dance class). 

    I think it's great she went and gave it a go and it bodes well.

    If you need further advise I would ring the helpline the numbers on the website and they are really great at pointing you in the right direction.

    Take care

    Oatie

    x

  • Hi, I'm in Wales and although still unpacking we're really settled in now. Phoebe tried a new dance school yesterday but the style was so different and when the teacher shouted at some of the dancers she got scared. Fingers crossed she'll stick it out because the dancers there were really friendly and seh really liked them. I wondered if it was because it was the summer and the teacher had combined year groups as so many were away. Hopefully when September comes and the usual classes go back things will be better.

    Still looking on the website here though. Where do I go to ask for advice about what happened at the dancing school? 

    Hope you're all well

    Liz x

  • Good luck with the move

     

    When you are back online, just post on here and I'll reply back. 

    Hopefully there will be some really lovely people, where you are moving to. 

    Bye for now. 

    Vic x

     

  • Good luck with te move..don't envy you that. I refused to move this year and I was under a lot of pressure to do so..but I knew I couldn't handle the stress right now..and I am chicken 

    Please let us know how you are getting on and try and pace yourself.

    Hope order is restored in your household soon.

    xxxx

  • Hi Oatie

    Thanks for keeping in touch. I do understand about the facebook rules. I generally keep to the closed groups I belong to that are about supporting other parents with chhildren on the autistic spectrum.

    I'll keep trying to find a way through all this so any news I'll let you know.

    I'm off to move house now so very little internet for a while (withdrawls coming I think!)

    Speak soon 

    Liz x

  • Thanks Vic

    I'll definitely check that out. I'm moving house this weekend so I wont have a lot of access to the internet for a while but I'll keep in touch as best I can.

    Thanks again for your support and friendship, it means a lot to me.

    Best wishes

    Liz x

  • Dear Liz

    I am so sorry that none of these places can help you. It must be so frustrating. 

    The only other thing I can think of is Anna Kennedy. I just finished reading her book the other day, she is the lady that set up her own school because she couldn't find suitable provision for her own boys. She has a website Annakennedy online. It might be worth getting in touch or at least looking on the website. As she set up a school she may know if there is any control over them. 

    Definitely keep coming on here though. Knowing people are here def helps - even if they can't directly help. 

    The situation with the NAS must have been hard for you. 

    Take care 

    Vic x

     

     

     

  • That's a shame..sorry I am not much help..it's so annoying to think they have 'got away with it'...  I do kinda believe in karma with these things and they will get their come uppence eventually believe me.

    I am on FB but as things stand with the forum currently we are not allowed to pass on such details....after what happened with you on there I am sure you can understand why these precautions are taken etc. 

    I am more than happy to continue talking on the forum though and will look out for you if you still want to keep posting.

    Hope you have had a better day

    Oatie

    x

  • Hi Oatie

    Thank you for your support, it does mean a lot. I think Network81 is like so many of the support organisations they don't get involved in individual cases where there's been an injustice.  The closest I've come is 'Every Disabled Child Matters' but again they only campaign, they couldn't support us in dealing with what's happened.

    I have contacted the local NAS group to me when I first moved to Somerset to ask for some general support and companionship but I was told I wouldn't fit in to their group because they were older!! Nice thing to say to someone with Aspergers I thought so I haven't approached them again. Will think about the Welsh branch now though, once I've moved.

    I will keep thinking about what I can do because it's niggling me that this can happen over and over if people like this have no authority to oversee them. Any thoughts very welcomed!! Are you on fb Oatie?

    Liz xx

  • I don't know about what NAS would suggest as I am new on here too..the people who do the helpline are really useful.

    There's an organisation called Network 81 who work towards inclusive education for children with SEN...not sure if this applies to private establishments as I have never dealt with them myself, but you could have a look at their website network81.org.

    I feel so frustrated I cannot help more, and I think you are doing a fantastic job with your daughter. I can honestly say if I had witnessed what happened to your daughter at any establishment, I would have hauled my kids out pronto and explained to them how what was said was utterly inappropriate.

    I hate confrontation too so I understand how hard it must have been for you. At least you know you are not alone for feeling that way..must have been hard being the only voice of reason in a sea of fools. It's enough to make you doubt your own sanity.

    Keep battling on there are still some thoroughly decent human beings out there..honest!

    Oatie

    x

  • Thank you both so much for your comfort and reassurance. I feel better just knowing you're there keeping me company.

    I tried so hard to make something happen but it's crazy - if you open up a private school it seems you're answerable to no one. 

    Thank you for thinking of IPSEA but they are for normal education and LEA related issues. Do you know if the NAS take on issues like ours? I tried to look around the website to see but there's so much there I couldn't find anything that might take it on. I suppose I just want the kind of attention to Phoebe's discrimination as what happened to that poor boy in the London theatre - I wish I had their organisational skills. I just feel so weak and useless but you're right, the behaviour of the other parents had to be seen to be believed - they actually reinforced the bullying of a vulnerable child to their own children.

    Anyway, enough of me going on. Thank you again for your companionship. I don't usually mind being a single parent but times like this you just need to 'hear' a friendly voice. I should add I also have Aspergers in mild form so the confrontations and thinking really wear me out!

    Best wishes and thanks to both of you. You're very special

    Liz xxx

  • Hi 

    That is just so awful I feel for you and your daughter. 

    I went to the Autism show recently and there was a stand there for a charity called IPSEA, from what I remember they offer legal advice and support for educational matters, but it may be worth contacting them, if they can't help they may be able to point you in the right direction. 

    The only other thing I can say is keep trying to get your daughter to try another place, even if it is another type of dance. If it helped her so much it would be a shame for her not to have dance in her life. 

    Vic x

     

     

     

  • Goodness! I really feel for you, what utterly disgraceful behaviour on the behalf to the teacher..I am so shocked it is hard to know how to comment.

    I am also shocked at the way the other parents and pupils have reacted..this woman is nothing but a bully. It is a shocking and flagrant disregard for inclusion and the DDA.

    I am pleased you went to your MP and the paper. It's a very personal decision to make this more public due to any distress it could cause you all when you are feeling very vulnerable.

    I am glad you came on and posted because we are all here to support each other and I hope it helped to write it all down to a sympathetic 'audience'..you must feel incandescent with rage every time you think of it?

    I am sorry I have nothing practical to suggest but I wanted you to know we are thinking of you and I hope Phoebe can find a dance class more accommodating and forward thinking in future when she's ready..perhaps some of the other parents will be able to make suggestions as to how you can rebuild her confidence enough to try a different place out.

    (((HUGS)))))

    Oatie

    x & family