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Constitutional reforms?

Do we need them, I think we do, I don't like the first past the post system and would like to see some form of PR,although I'm not sure which version yet.

I did find something I agreed with Jacob Rees Mogg about, not something that happens often, that a new PM should hold an election to get a mandate from the country. We had Truss and Sunak foisted on us, it's all very well sayiing that in a party system you vote for a party not a person, but when a new PM comes in mid term, they seem to rip up the manifesto of the previous incumbant and do something completely different that no body asked for. The idea that a small percentage of the population, those who are Tory Party members can foist their will on he rest of us is ridiculous, of course it could happen with any party, but it has happened with the Tories more recently and often.

I think reshuffles should be kept to a minimum too, ministers need about a year to really get to grips with their brief and start making changes, many are in place for about this time or less before being replaced by someone who has to go through the same process all over again. It dosen't lead to coherant management or policy.

Id like to see the second chamber reformed but I'm not sure how, I don't like all the superannuated politicians, crony's and hereditary peers, but whats the alternative? WOuld we have the same lot of failed politicians seeking reelection to the second chamber, would we end up with a situation like America often does, where govermnet grinds to a halt because what one house does the other blocks?

I'm a reluctant royalist, I dont' like the idea of kings and queens, but I like the idea of a President Blair or Johnson even less.

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  • . Us "racists" want to preserve an element of our unique cultural identity which includes certain values, ideas, and ways of doing things

    Oh yes, I know. 

    As for you reporting me for abuse - I said nothing that isn't a fact, made no personal remarks about anyone. 

    I can only conclude that your actions were intended to silence me for expressing a view with which you disagree. 

    Whatever. I have better things to do.

  • you know nothing about the subject then as oswald mosley was infact the father of the EU, everything farage opposes and took us out of.

    it was oswald mosley that was the very first person to term and create the term of a "european union" of which he got that from hitler and after his death he was the first person to then propose this european union.... but he did it in britain, we all voted no and told him to bog off.... he then left the country as he wasnt loved here, he moved to france, he spread his idea, he died, his predecessors then created the european union.... so when you learn the truth you realise farage is actually opposite of mosley...

    but yeah, mosley wasnt a fascist he was a national socialist, so yeah, fascism can be a opposite of national socialism... monarchism can be too... just basic nationalism could be, the problem part of that combo was the socialism part. we had many forms of national for time immemorial and it never caused issues, its only a issue when this nationalism that added socialism to it came about...

  • I believe you are the only person I've reported for abuse since I joined this site, but if after all this "to and fro" involving multiple posters you guys cannot see how close your behavior and attitudes are to those who you profess to oppose, I don't think I'm going to be able to make it any more clear. 

    I did at least let you know, and it's nothing personal, I'm opposed to the process of demonising people (even pukka fascists) on the strength of their differences. 

    Personally any ideology that pivots aorund the concept of identifyng a sub group of humans as "vermin" whether ultra right or ultra left can't get my vote, simply becuause I know when they run out of whatever scapegoat they started out with, eventually they'll get around to me. 

    But when people start usng trigger words and concepts to label a group of people, it's not being nice, it's owt to do with Autism, it's just bullying behavour and in my opinion needs to be stopped. 

    And if we were to get PROPER fascism, maybe the cost of a train ticket would be affordable, the train clean and well presented, and on time! When you got in it, under a proper full on right wing regime at it's peak, there wouldn't be drunkards or loud people or would-be muggers sizing you up from the dank looking floors, as you look for a workng toilet, oh no! 

    To be honest, if they were to put some honesty and productivity back into the country, I could even see my way clear to standing in centenery square in fancy dress shouting hail Nigel!!

    BUT, we are British, we don't need to go around persecuting people, not our style. We just need to weed out the troublemakers, and manage the situation so as our uniqueness is preserved. 

    As for the ever lurking charge of "Racism", the logical inconsistency is enormous. Us "racists" want to preserve an element of our unique cultural identity which includes certain values, ideas, and ways of doing things. When we are finally eliminated, and your side (purveyoirs and implementers of the Kalergi Plan, if you did but know it) there will indeed be no racists because there will no longer be any races!! EVERYONE in europe will end up the same coffee coloured 90 I.Q. fungible human resources. 

    And you guys think it's a matter of left versus right, red versus blue... That's precious.  

  • And yet in fact, Farage is a fascist. Not my opinion, his own. An acolyte of Mosley.

    I did think everybody knew that - after all he's been around for long enough.

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  • Corbyn was a disaster I do not know where to start with him.The mistake Labour made was not electing David Miliband who was in my mind the best person that never got to be PM bar paddy Ashdown.

    On the tories they should have had Ken Clarke

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  • We allegedly vote for a party and not a person, but when a new leader is chosen by a tiny number of party members and become PM, they can radically change the direction of government and make it something that we did not vote for. Like it or not, we're are becoming more presidential with our PM's and I think that why we ended up with the disaster that was Liz Truss, who apart from party members voted for her?

    If we're not a party member we can't vote for a change in party leader, not all parties choose thier leaders in the same way. Many parties won't let you vote for a new leader unless you've been a party member for some months before, it stops a pile on for a Corbyn type figure.

    I think the HoL is more often the opposition than the formal opposition  in the HoC, 

  • yeah i think this whole quitting and getting a new leader is some type of intentional exploit to make your party stay in power longer.

    leaders should never quit, they should stay and take accountability for their policies. if they feel bad and want to stand down they should be made to stay their entire term and if they feel bad they should undo the bad thing they feel they have done.

  • PR would have given Farage's fascist party around 60 seats - a terrifying idea.

    What is more terrifying, the idea of a fascist party or the fact that they represent the will of the people (of that constituency).

    If the people want it then they deserve to have it, regardless of what you think I'm afraid. Just because it does not conform to your ideals does not make it bad or wrong in spite of what the press would have us believe.

    If the country elected a dictator (think Donald Trump in the USA next election) then that is what they want. Respect their wishes and if you don't like it, move.

    That is democracy.

  • I have to respectfully disagree about PR and I am a person that votes for one of the so clawed big 2 so have benefited this is why I don't like first past the post-

    1- Any vote in a seat once the winning party has won by 1 seat is wasted.Equally in a safe seat if you vote fro anyone else you waste your vote.

    2- Although Reform are an issue I do not think just because they are disliked they an be denied a voice.There are laws that can deal with racism etc.

    3-It gives an MP in  safe seat a job for life basically and also they are used as fodder for the part line in votes.They also very rarely represent constituents as they are torn by the national policy.

    4-You could have a threshold for to stop lots of small parties.

    5- Coalitions can be a good thing and who is to say how we would vote of we had PR tactical voting would be not needed.parties would form alliances.It seems to wrk well in Germany.

    6- I would also bring in a bill of rights governments have too much power to rule by decree with no oversight.

    7- I would also make parties have open primaries so the selected candidates has some legitimacy

    I have a lot more ideas but I think sadly the system will stay the same

  • Despite the fact that yuo are (presumably) a lovely person who does fine, fine artwork, I've just flagged you for spam/abuse becuase I'm tired of reading you calling a swathe of people fascists incorrectly.

    I'll be doing Martin next when I read a third post of his calling Reform voters fascist. 

    "Gaslighting" is ABUSE.

  • spot on P.R. you would need super large constituencies of first past the post where 7 or 8 MP,s are executed proportionately and they would all support the constituency then a Top up from party lists based on the overall percentages.You would then have to have compromise and coalitions rather than winner takes all.

    House of Lords is difficult they actually do believe it or not a good job scrutinising and amending bad laws and they are not that tribal.If you went for an elected chamber it would have to be a professional person standing not just party fodder.