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Today I learned that one of my adult child's Friends Lorna now goes by the name Loz and identifies as male.  

Apparently if  am not to cause offence I now need to rejig a couple of decades of being vaguely aware of this person as a very feminine looking girl through to young woman and refer to Loz as HE in conversation from now on.

Loz's boyfriend apparently has had to make psychological adjustments that make my issues look trivial in comparison, but apparently he will do that for love.... 

Funny old world innit?

I will say this: The next time my o/h decides to crack wise at my expense, we'll see how she likes being effectively in a lesbian relationship for a while.. The cheapest way to go trans I've figured is to also change my faith at the same time. No biggie, we worship the same god, just in a diverse way.... Then al I need is a cheap and cheerful bhurka to chuck over the "cargo pants and tee", and the job is done! 

(I think I'll keep that one "in the hopper" for if my personal war of the sexes battlefield situation demands "special weapons" one day) We seem to be in a period of detente right now, so maybe I'll hold off ordering the bhurka...

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  • 'Sperg, you're too intelligent to be this glib in regard to your thinking. If you were truly bold in your convictions, your post wouldn't be published at such an early hour. Alternatively, its timing might possibly ensure that it receives a wide audience...which is somehow an even worse motivation for posting now.

    Love *is* love; simply that. If it affects no-one negatively then how is it wrong, morally or In any sense? What actual harm does their relationship do to others or themselves? None. How are you inconvenienced or threatened by their love? They're bloody heroes, not inconveniences or threats, let alone a sign that reads 'The modern world has gone to the dogs'. I call them heroes because your post eloquently shows why people like that couple need every bit of the courage they draw from each other. That's because of the harshness and cynicism exemplified this morning on a board that actually welcomes trans people; oh, and while we're at it, this forum also welcomes devotees of various religions.

    I'm loath to disagree with someone so much more smart, swift and savvy than I am but the opinions expressed in your post aren't being so 'suppressed' that readers - including trans members - won't consider your views as any more elevated than those of our local pub bigots.

    This is no declaration of war, on my part; it's a request that you not be 'cancelled' but instead consider how others might feel - others from whom you'd rightly expect sympathy and respect should you yourself fall victim to the irresponsible opinions of unthinking critics. You're too clever and caring for such lazy thinking. You're too fond of the idea that your views are dangerously honest, as if speaking one's mind - regardless of potential harm - is a guarantee of credibility and also a badge of honour. So often it doesn't make one a maverick - it makes one careless of the damage done to fellow human beings. And here amongst autistic people too, amongst people who come here for shelter and support, and also protection from others who take vain pride in 'just speaking their minds'...

    I'm not a mod, not even a respected veteran, or smart or mature; but I too can speak my mind. In case you're wondering, I don't even have the honour of knowing any trans people, so I've no personal stake that might be founded on personal biases.

    Feel free to ignore my plea. Your call. Please reconsider or, at least, consider others.

  • The OP feels transphobic to me frankly. My inner autist barely understood the words in the post but as a trans woman I definitely got the emotional unpleasantness and judgement. I am new here and really don’t need this. She/her 

  • YOU are seeing what is not there, to be honest. Lighten up, please this is a no hate zone.

    What appals me is how quickly some people take umbrage and outrage at a simple exposition of a situation and a light hearted application of humour at the end.

    It's demanded of me that I respect new values that are in opposition to all that I was taught when I was young, and to be honest, if it leads to greater acceptance of different people and their attitudes, that has the look of a good idea, so why not? Not like it really affected me until today. It's physically doing the change  the change I find difficult, not being asked to make it. Exactly the same as when a friend changed her name once.

    That these new values make life complicated for some in ways that I am sure were not intended, like Loz's B/F (and fair play to him, for sticking by his girl) is not me expressing hate, just recounting events.

    I'm definitely not trans"phobic" but yes I do have some remains of the previous set of conditioning I endured for at least 2 decades,and if you want to hate anyone, hate the people who drummed one set of values into my generation, then discarded them in the next.   

    Especially when they do it to YOUR generation in a few years time. 

  • But incase it needs spelling out loud, I'm not here to be your enemy Sperg, I'm saying this because I'm your fellow autist and that means I also care about you too. We're really not all that different when it boils down to it, we all just want a bit of respect.

  • Feelings don't come into it, it comes down to the ability to directly or indirectly cause actual harm. If you belittle us it's not our feelings that get hurt it's the prejudice of bigots that gets reinforced so the next time a trans person goes for a job, we don't get it, or if we go to the Dr with a life threatening ailment we don't get treated with the same humanity as our cisgender peers, that's what hurts us. It's "your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins." That's the actual quote, though not verbatim, and sometimes attributed to Abraham Lincoln, but more likely John B. Finch (d.1887) . And everything is subject to this cause and effect, nothing exists in a vacuum.
    But if you don't want the friendly advice and the olive branch suit yourself. This is your crossroad your choice.

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  • Feelings don't come into it, it comes down to the ability to directly or indirectly cause actual harm. If you belittle us it's not our feelings that get hurt it's the prejudice of bigots that gets reinforced so the next time a trans person goes for a job, we don't get it, or if we go to the Dr with a life threatening ailment we don't get treated with the same humanity as our cisgender peers, that's what hurts us. It's "your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins." That's the actual quote, though not verbatim, and sometimes attributed to Abraham Lincoln, but more likely John B. Finch (d.1887) . And everything is subject to this cause and effect, nothing exists in a vacuum.
    But if you don't want the friendly advice and the olive branch suit yourself. This is your crossroad your choice.

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