Annoying voices

Are you irritated by some accents/voice intonations? I think I have posted before about this, but I have an extreme aversion to 'up-talk' or the high-rise terminal (HRT). Teenagers, particularly girls, speak like this a lot, but so do many 20 and 30 somethings now. Every statement is spoken as if it were a question, giving off an air of uncertainty, as if they expect you to disagree with them. As someone with Aspergers, I like certainty and formal speech, but up-talk leaves me feeling confused and unclear. I get stressed when people talk like this, and end up not believing what they say, because it is so vague. I understand that language and accents change, but I can't help opposing up-talk. It goes against the way my brain is wired: certainty is replaced by endless questions, which are not meant to be questions.

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  • I'm sure it wasn't intended, but I guess:

    'worst of all is Welsh, god I hate it'

    Feels decidedly bordering onto something which could be interpreted as disrespectful, and:

    'Indian and Pakistani Urdu accents are just plain irritating like someone saying rubbadubbadub'

    Even more so and, taken out of context:

    'Middle Eastern, Eastern European, Russian and Italian and Portuguese sound like they are being obnoxious.'

    I guess people have a limited amount of choice about how they speak, and that's why it's potentially offensive to make judgements about them regarding it.

    I know how annoyed I get hearing how I've got a flat, monotonous tone (i.e. because 'I'm autistic' rather than in relation to anything I've actually said).

    I know people aren't intending it, but I'm assuming that's why a mod posted, although we're talking quite objectively about perceptions of sound around is, it still broadly amoutns to picking out a single characteristic about a group of individuals and portraying it negatively.

    You could say it amounts to:

    'Does anybody else find it really difficult being around white people? I'm not racist, it's not that there's anything actually wrong with them as such, it's just the colour of their skin, all pale and creamy... I just don't like it.'

    Which I think you could understand is kind of a contentiously charged opinion to express?

    Sorry, I don't mean to criticise people, I just feel like I can understand why a mod would feel nervous about the way the conversation had been headed at times - it is getting into the territory of 'racism' and/or 'otherwise disciminatory' which I think was the reason that the second rule was highlighted, rather than links to hate sites, or porn... combined with being offensive or insulting, which I think you can understand if you feel like you're being called irritating or obnoxious.

    Ok, I've written loads now and I feel like I'm going-on and labouring a point which was probably obvious in the first place anyway.

    Isn't it interesting how voices are sculpted by surroundings? I mean... you wouldn't say something about the physical features of people from certain regions of the world, would you?

    I hate my thick Yorkshire accent by the way, makes me sound like a gormless thick-headed numb-skulled moron, although interestingly, my brother, who was raised in virtually exactly the same environment, has extremely received pronunciation and very little accent.

    Hmm... is it possible to be racist against yourself?

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  • I'm sure it wasn't intended, but I guess:

    'worst of all is Welsh, god I hate it'

    Feels decidedly bordering onto something which could be interpreted as disrespectful, and:

    'Indian and Pakistani Urdu accents are just plain irritating like someone saying rubbadubbadub'

    Even more so and, taken out of context:

    'Middle Eastern, Eastern European, Russian and Italian and Portuguese sound like they are being obnoxious.'

    I guess people have a limited amount of choice about how they speak, and that's why it's potentially offensive to make judgements about them regarding it.

    I know how annoyed I get hearing how I've got a flat, monotonous tone (i.e. because 'I'm autistic' rather than in relation to anything I've actually said).

    I know people aren't intending it, but I'm assuming that's why a mod posted, although we're talking quite objectively about perceptions of sound around is, it still broadly amoutns to picking out a single characteristic about a group of individuals and portraying it negatively.

    You could say it amounts to:

    'Does anybody else find it really difficult being around white people? I'm not racist, it's not that there's anything actually wrong with them as such, it's just the colour of their skin, all pale and creamy... I just don't like it.'

    Which I think you could understand is kind of a contentiously charged opinion to express?

    Sorry, I don't mean to criticise people, I just feel like I can understand why a mod would feel nervous about the way the conversation had been headed at times - it is getting into the territory of 'racism' and/or 'otherwise disciminatory' which I think was the reason that the second rule was highlighted, rather than links to hate sites, or porn... combined with being offensive or insulting, which I think you can understand if you feel like you're being called irritating or obnoxious.

    Ok, I've written loads now and I feel like I'm going-on and labouring a point which was probably obvious in the first place anyway.

    Isn't it interesting how voices are sculpted by surroundings? I mean... you wouldn't say something about the physical features of people from certain regions of the world, would you?

    I hate my thick Yorkshire accent by the way, makes me sound like a gormless thick-headed numb-skulled moron, although interestingly, my brother, who was raised in virtually exactly the same environment, has extremely received pronunciation and very little accent.

    Hmm... is it possible to be racist against yourself?

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  • You wonderful person, thank you, really.  I understand about feeling like you've written too much, because you've just supplied the "pound of cure."

    I also have 99th percentile, non-hyper, "inattentive type" ADD, so it's taken me years to Google "autism and others voices."

    It took several tries, 
    (No, Google, thank you, but when i write "hearing others actual voices," I really don't want results about auditory hallucinations. ;-) ... )
    But finally I found my way here.

    Decades ago, right after I had a (thankfully non-cancerous) mole removed from one of my temples, I had a couple of fresh stitches, and was listening to US NPR's "All Things Considered" news program.  Among all things they make a real, honest effort to be inclusive, and that hour, it meant they were interviewing a guy with a voice that didn't strike me as male or female. 

    I liked the content of what he was saying.   But I couldn't help flinching, every time he spoke.  And every flinch pulled on my stitches, and hurt.  I wished I could stop flinching.  I kept hoping they'd wrap up the interview.

    I've since wondered "Is it prejudice? Is it the shock of the different?"

    Decades later, I learned of misophonia, and finally had a word for, and an explanation of why I was always so set on edge by the sound of anyone smacking their lips, while chewing.

    I've wondered if autism is expressed in sensitivities to other sounds, tones, ways of speech.  And it's taken me over 30 years to find this thread, today.

    I think we all need to keep in mind that our reactions aren't judgements.  They don't mean the people plucking our last nerves are doing anything wrong.  It just means "This really, really isn't for us."

    Thanks for this discussion.  I hope I've made a helpful contribution.