Little boy with ASD ADHD PDA

Pathological demand avoidance and aspergers are umbrellaed under the term autism spectrum disorder. They did this because its typical that individuals on the spectrum have shared or combination of the autism profiles. Autism comorbid with ADHD can sometimes look like oppositional defiant disorder but it's not so please don't treat him like he got oppositional defiant disorder unless you want to traumatise him and confuse him.

In the UK from my experience oppositional defiant disorder is not taken as seriously, It commonly used to label children with neurodivergence's to excuse mental health professionals from diagnosing them with either autism and ADHD as its not required to have a specialised formal diagnosis like autism and ADHD require.

Has anyone mentioned the dopamine cycle and the effects on individuals with both autism and ADHD ? In its simplistic explanation is that children and adults with ADHD and Autism need a certain amount of dopamine to be able to concentrate and motivate them to do stuff. Dopamine can't be medicated for and it requires the individual to perform tasks they enjoy to produce enough dopamine. Individuals with autism and ADHD have issue as they tend to over fixate on tasks and get overloaded with dopamine and this causes them behave poorly similar to how someone who abuses chemical substances experience a come down after use their substance.

the difficult task is that you need to assist your child as a parent at their age is to perform high dopamine activities [for me it's videogames] and to assist them recognise when they have got enough dopamine [which can be hard with enterroception difficulties] to move onto low dopamine tasks like that everyday demands like washing & cleaning. its recommended that for every high dopamine activities is followed by one or two low dopamine activities. you will need to help your child stop the high dopamine activity and move onto low activities, this is where timers and routines come into place.

you will have to initially ime how long it takes your child to get to overstimulation and start misbehaving from a high dopamine task to figure out the right amount of time achieve desired results, you may have to limit the amount of time they spend on this activity which can be hard autism hyperfixation. different activities produce dopamine at different rates, different excise's may produce more or little dopamine it depends on the child and these fluctuations will occur as the develop and mature. 

Do not use food to stimulate dopamine as it leads to unhealthy obsession with food. its why chocolate and sugar is addictive and children react to certain food colourings and flavourings. 

I had to learn this at 21 and does work, i think it would of been easier if someone taught me about this when i was younger.       

Pathological demand avoidance and aspergers are umbrellaed under the term autism spectrum disorder. They did this because its typical that individuals on the spectrum have shared or combination of the autism profiles. Autism comorbid with ADHD can sometimes look like oppositional defiant disorder but it's not so please don't treat him like he got oppositional defiant disorder unless you want to traumatise him and confuse him.

In the UK from my experience oppositional defiant disorder is not taken as seriously, It commonly used to label children with neurodivergence's to excuse mental health professionals from diagnosing them with either autism and ADHD as its not required to have a specialised formal diagnosis like autism and ADHD require.

Has anyone mentioned the dopamine cycle and the effects on individuals with both autism and ADHD ? In its simplistic explanation is that children and adults with ADHD and Autism need a certain amount of dopamine to be able to concentrate and motivate them to do stuff. Dopamine can't be medicated for and it requires the individual to perform tasks they enjoy to produce enough dopamine. Individuals with autism and ADHD have issue as they tend to over fixate on tasks and get overloaded with dopamine and this causes them behave poorly similar to how someone who abuses chemical substances experience a come down after use their substance.

the difficult task is that you need to assist your child as a parent at their age is to perform high dopamine activities [for me it's videogames] and to assist them recognise when they have got enough dopamine [which can be hard with enterroception difficulties] to move onto low dopamine tasks like that everyday demands like washing & cleaning. its recommended that for every high dopamine activities is followed by one or two low dopamine activities. you will need to help your child stop the high dopamine activity and move onto low activities, this is where timers and routines come into place.

you will have to initially ime how long it takes your child to get to overstimulation and start misbehaving from a high dopamine task to figure out the right amount of time achieve desired results, you may have to limit the amount of time they spend on this activity which can be hard autism hyperfixation. different activities produce dopamine at different rates, different excise's may produce more or little dopamine it depends on the child and these fluctuations will occur as the develop and mature. 

Do not use food to stimulate dopamine as it leads to unhealthy obsession with food. its why chocolate and sugar is addictive and children react to certain food colourings and flavourings. 

I had to learn this at 21 and does work, i think it would of been easier if someone taught me about this when i was younger.       

Wow! I'm ancient (and I'm sure riddled with hideous co-morbities) but reckon I could learn to manage my dopamine, after that very clear explanation (After the second read, which was well worth doing) 

And you MAY just have given me the tools to fix my long suffering girlfriend too...

I knew If I just kept coming here, and following my own "forum survival guide" it'd come good in the long run!  :c) Thanks. Good post!