Are we Nature's Backstop?

Plastic said:

Exactly - enough is never enough.    The 'Me, Me, Me' focus of life.

In that children share in or are forced into assuming adult social identity pretences, this involves the sensational, reproductional and imaginal sensibilities off-lining or side-lining the emotional, communicational, sentimental and rational sensibilities ~ so that people compulsively-addictively seek to fulfil their ‘personal’ (primary) needs by way of ‘societal’ (secondary) desires; with the latter to various degrees or entire extents displacing and replacing the former so that fulfilment criteria are not on the whole or even at all met.

A classic example of this state of affairs is chain-smoking, where thirst as a need to drink water has been displaced and replaced by the desire to smoke cigarettes, with cigarette smoking increasing the sensational sense of thirst and the ‘reproductional’ (habitual) consumption of more cigarettes being the imaginal displacement and replacement.

The same sensory displacement and ideological replacement pattern involves in principle dependent relationships and irrational spending ~ hence enough rarely ever being enough, and the ‘Me, Me, Me’ focus of materialism rather than life, what with mass consumption leading to mass destruction by way of excessive competition and regressive cooperation, and all that.

Exactly - enough is never enough.    The 'Me, Me, Me' focus of life.   

Plastic said:

So why do they treat us so badly?

I've heard it said before that our whole system and way of life is based on feeding the ego.

If you look at the social stratification in the Western world today ' success ' is usually defined by having more. More money, more power, more social status, more material possessions, more houses, more cars or even having more friends. We are teaching kids from an early age that having more is essentially the ultimate goal in life and to be better than the next person is the road to a happy life. A better education, better grades, better exam results, better school, better Uni and so on.

Advertising, social media, reality tv, gaming etc are saying to people you need this product, this type of partner, these kind of lips, this kind of house and so on to be happy. Basically, that happiness is to be found somewhere out there. Not within. Somewhere outside yourself. Only when you have accumulated all these things, then you will be happy, then you will have arrived. The problem is, you never have enough and you never arrive anywhere real under these pretenses. It is all superficial and your life is spent chasing external things.

Is it any wonder then that we often find psychopaths or those displaying these tendencies who rise to the top of our society based on this system and we actually hold these people up as models of ' success ' ? Why then are we surprised to find division, fighting, war, egotism, stress, mental illness, greed, ignorance, anger, selfishness etc etc etc either encouraged or considered perfectly normal in our every day lives ? 

There are even those who have been so conditioned to this way of life that you will often hear them say ' It's just human nature '.

Plastic said:

So why do they treat us so badly?

Actually, we're part of a manufactured generation.

Schools are basically the Big Brother House for kids.

Mark (NicheMarket) said:

I think you're onto something tjere about Stockholm syndrome. Is 'adulteration abuse' a concept you've read about? Is there a key source to read? Or something you've coined

When I first started studying psychology back in 1989, I did inquire about using it to describe adults forcing children to behave like adults rather than actually maturing as children, but got informed that it was too specific and challenging a definition to be used in general discussion and publication, and it was better to use ‘normalised abuse’ as it is a much more inclusive and amenable nomenclature for the uninformed.

I was though neither the first nor the last person to have brought up the topic of ‘adulteration abuse’, and it has been included by others besides myself in quite a few discussions since the eighties.

In terms of key sources of reading, consider perhaps:

Parentification

7 Types of Parental Abuse.

The ‘adulteration’ of adolescence?: Balancing the rights of adolescents to autonomy and protection in the UK – Part 1

Plastic said:

the faecal matter hits the air-circulation device

good one haha.

I think society moves forward best when there's a diverse mix of people, ie different cultures, different neurotypes etc. But people are naturally wary of what they don't understand, so they can be wary of people with AS. That can lead to victimisation especially if said AS person is more vulnerable. NTs may also be jealous of the skills of AS people. In some cases then AS people can be hard to work with because they may be reluctant to share ideas or there might be communication problems (both ways) so this can also lead to either person feeling mistreated even if that wasn't originally intended. 

I think you're onto something tjere about Stockholm syndrome. Is 'adulteration abuse' a concept you've read about? Is there a key source to read? Or something you've coined?

they do it cause it's fun for them, and we're like ducks at a shooting gallery. that's the size of it. i've had NT's say to me, 'that person is just weird' or 'they just are so inept.' that's reason enough for them to either ignore us...........or treat us like ***.  it's only been going on for......... not decades, not centuries, but thousands of years.

we're the outsiders, naive and kind of inept socially. they can point us out. and not in a good way.

there's an interesting guy at stanford (not the stanford in the uk, lol, the one in palo alto, california, the colonies, u no?) robert sapolsky. he studies primates - those hairy things that sort of stand on two legs. the lesser primates in a group suffer from stress, quite identical to stress humans lower (financially, socially, etc) on the totem pole suffer. PLUS  humans have institutionalized this totem pole. forever, there have been built in biases against 'lesser' people: tax structure, politics, jobs, social class systems, and schools.

the deck is rigged. the house is getting phatter and phatter.

Plastic said:

The older I get, the more auties and aspies I find - the lucky ones ended up in their niche profession where they excel and create incredible things.   Throughout history, almost all breakthroughs can be attributed to someone who is clearly one of us and very much on the spectrum.

As NTs are all about social bickering and status, are they designed as nature's minions? - worker drones - cranking the handles of life (badly) and fighting amongst themselves while we quietly design the next major leap forwards in technology or war-winning invention to save their lives.    

It seems that whenever the faecal matter hits the air-circulation device, the NTs rely on our ingenuity to dig them out of whatever hole they have made for themselves.

So why do they treat us so badly?

Because we are less prone to conforming to what can either be more technically referred to as ‘adulteration abuse’, or in less inflammatory terms ‘normalised abuse’ ~ which can be better contextualised with 'Stockholm Syndrome', where hostages adopt the morals and ethics of those who use them as disposable units of economical / political potential.

The threat of death in society causing Stockholm Syndrome involves anything or everything from international war and worldwide destruction, to exposure and malnutrition in private at home or in public on the streets.

Plastic said:

As NTs are all about social bickering and status, are they designed as nature's minions?

Nope, but they haven't figured out how to evolve beyond that  

Plastic said:

So why do they treat us so badly?

My guess is.... Ignorance, fear of the unusual or the different and that evolutionary need to group together with people who are like them (i.e. sharing in all that social bickering and status nonsense). Plus there is that thing of some things in modern life being taken for granted without really appreciating who it was that created it. Although, to be fair, I'm guilty of that last one too.

Oh man, that made me laugh, "worker drones!"