i cant help but wonder if austim is just a side affect of the mmr jab i dont think it is but can anyone help by proving my right that austim is not just a side affect of the mmr jab?
i cant help but wonder if austim is just a side affect of the mmr jab i dont think it is but can anyone help by proving my right that austim is not just a side affect of the mmr jab?
I wish I knew - maybe it's one of those areas that science just can't reliably prove one way or another. For what it's worth, I ummed and ahhhed about it forever with my son and ended up giving him just the first MMR jab when he was about 7 on the basis he was older and more resilient by then. For my daughter, I blythely took her along for both shots when they came due because autism is a boys disease (or so I thought) and she's now being referred for an ASD assessment. There's no history of autism in the family and, even before I entered the 'world' of autism, I seemed to have a number of friends with children on the spectrum, some of whom, like me, have no history of autism in the family. I'd be interested to know if anyone has looked into the prevalence of autism in recent years and whether or not there's any compelling evidence to suggest only better diagnostics accounts for the apparent increase in prevalance. Whatever the causes, I can't help thinking I know far more people with ASD in the family than I'd expect from random chance...
I wish I knew - maybe it's one of those areas that science just can't reliably prove one way or another. For what it's worth, I ummed and ahhhed about it forever with my son and ended up giving him just the first MMR jab when he was about 7 on the basis he was older and more resilient by then. For my daughter, I blythely took her along for both shots when they came due because autism is a boys disease (or so I thought) and she's now being referred for an ASD assessment. There's no history of autism in the family and, even before I entered the 'world' of autism, I seemed to have a number of friends with children on the spectrum, some of whom, like me, have no history of autism in the family. I'd be interested to know if anyone has looked into the prevalence of autism in recent years and whether or not there's any compelling evidence to suggest only better diagnostics accounts for the apparent increase in prevalance. Whatever the causes, I can't help thinking I know far more people with ASD in the family than I'd expect from random chance...
Hi there
It has been interesting to read the above posts. Children have the MMR vaccination about the 15-24 month mark (or they do where I live anyway) and this is around the time when some parents notice some developmental differences in their children, hence linking the 2 events. Both my sons had the MMR vaccination around 18months old. One has Aspergers and one doesn't. My own opinion is that the 2 are not linked and as a health professional, I don't think the evidence is good enough to believe otherwise.
I think that everyone is going to have their own opinion on this matter and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This is a discussion that is going to run and run for years and there may never be a definitive answer. It is great to see that the forum is an area where people feel that they can voice their opinions and ideas freely but I think that it is important that we all respect each other's opinions and we have to accept that not everyone is going to agree with each other.
Well it depends which bit of propoganda you choose to believe. The research I have found shows that Wakefields work has been replicated numerous times in the USA.
I have also discovered that Japan stopped the MMR very early because of the growing rates of autism and there are numerous countries that do not give MMR and they have not shown the increase in autism at the same rates as we have in the UK and the USA.
Interestingly when one talks of vested interests 2000 children were denied access to funded legal enquiry into MMR by a judge whose brother works for one of the companies that produce the vaccine. Coincidence?
Jackie Fletcher a leading light in the MMR campaign was recently awarded £90,000 after the court accepted her child was normal before MMR.
Whose right? I don't know but I will not have you tell me to stop everyone is entitled to view both side of the debate and make their own decisions and to whether they believe it or not.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8493753.stm
The medical journal which originally published the discredited research linking autism and MMR has now issued a full retraction of the paper. The Lancet said it now accepted claims made by the researchers were "false".
Dr Andrew Wakefield, the lead researcher in the 1998 paper, was ruled to have broken research rules by the General Medical Council.
The GMC ruled he had broken research rules AND acted unethically
Dr Wakefield was in the pay of solicitors who were acting for parents who believed their children had been harmed by MMR.
GMC ruled that Dr Wakefield had shown a "callous disregard" for children and acted "dishonestly" while he carried out his research.
The findings... have been widely discredited by medical experts across the world in the years since publication.
AUT1E said:Please, please, please stop.
there is no connection, the research has been utterly discredited, there never was a connection
please stop
it has also been proven for definite, over and over again that sugar doesn't make kids hyper, but the parents will not let it go
please please stop unless you are an academic with new research or evidence
if you're not, please, please, please stop
Why?. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to discuss this issue. As far as I can see the link has not been disproven so no harm can be done by discussing this.
Please, please, please stop.
there is no connection, the research has been utterly discredited, there never was a connection
please stop
it has also been proven for definite, over and over again that sugar doesn't make kids hyper, but the parents will not let it go
please please stop unless you are an academic with new research or evidence
if you're not, please, please, please stop
I am not sure it is as easy as that. Obviously the MMR does not cause Autism in all people the same as everyone who eats beef does not get BSE. I think there are probably certain children with underlying conditions that would react badly to the MMR.
We decided not to give Luke the MMR because he had food allergies and intolerances. After a lot of research we decided that children with any gut problems were more likely to react badly to the MMR. There are lots of children with no such issues who would be perfectly fine having the MMR.
My opinion (and it is only my opinion) is that each child should be looked at individually and if there are any underlying reasons why they may react to the MMR they should be offered the single jabs. If they are perfectly fit and healthy there should be no reason why they should not have the MMR. It's about weighing up the risks.
As it turns out Luke has autism although he is high functioning. Maybe if he had had the MMR his would not be high funtioning but further along the low functioning end of the scale or maybe it would not have made any difference at all, who knows.
Hi,
I can say with some authority there is no connection.
My DD had the MMR jab and is currently undergoing DX for aspergers....my DS did not have the jab until AFTER his ASD DX.
Either I am very unlucky or the jab has no effect either way!
Franks Mum
Measles spreads like wildfire and for every child who makes a full recovery there will be another child who is not so lucky. The risks of complications from having measles are far higher than vaccination risks; if it was the other way round, the vaccination would not be used. One rare complication of having measles is something called subacute pan encephalitis, which does not develop until many years after having measles. It is caused by the virus re-activating itself at a later date, and pan encephalitis always results in death
the major said:i cant help but wonder if austim is just a side affect of the mmr jab i dont think it is but can anyone help by proving my right that austim is not just a side affect of the mmr jab?
My son, Luke, was born at the height of the Wakefield affair. At the time we looked long and hard at whether we would give Luke the MMR. We did a lot of research and in the end decided that he would not have it.
To be honest we noticed a massive change in Luke after he had the tripple set of jabs at 8, 12 and 16 weeks and we decided that he reacted so badly to them that they would be the last jabs that he had.
Luke had a lot of food intolerances when we was young including eggs, nuts and dairy so whenever I was approached to ask why he had not had the MMR I told them he was allergic to eggs and since MMR is cultured on eggs he could not have it.
We feel bad enough that Luke has ASD but I am sure we would have felt a lot worse had we let him have MMR as we would have thought we caused it be letting him have the injections. This would not have been the case but it would not have stopped us making the connection.
Hi Major,
You might want to take a look at the discussion here about the Wakefield study that suggested a link between the two, as a starting point -
It's worth noting that autism was around long before the MMR jab. For people who think there is a connection it's about the jab causing something more more often than was normal before - not that autism was just a side-effect of the jab.
