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Fighting the world (& generally getting nowhere)

Goatworshiper

this is much of a continuation of the solitude thread, but I dont want to detract from the post's on that thread so here goes.

As someone who regards themself as a freethinker, the removal of civil liberties is something that makes me feel nervous. I've been feeling nervous a lot lately, the way the government is portraying the disabled and unemployed isn't sitting well. I saw this tonight and it makes me feel so angry: http://www.channel4.com/news/black-boxes-to-monitor-all-internet-and-phone-data

I like to read books that are controversial (even if I don't agree with thier sentiment). I'm into extremism, so at the moment Im thinking of buying Mein Kampf, and I like to read lot of right wing stuff. I hate the politics and philosophy's of these kind of books, but I do empathise that these people are social outcasts and not listened to (infact I relate to it). I also admire the passion poured into books by nut jobs. But the way things are getting monitored it just makes me uncomfortable purchasing stuff like this.

I've also been thinking of ways to make life more interesting and seeing what I can improve or acheive (beating myself up basically). So for some reason I fancy studying law/human rights laws/law relating to disability, I feel a empathy for marginalised folk. It's completely unachievable as I've already been to uni. I think it may just be a fantasy of sticking two fingers up at the world.

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  • How people interpret what you say is an inevitable consequence of aspergers. The experts concentrate on our ability to read social situations. But what they seem unable to grasp is that we have trouble with our social inputs.

    Oh they think they understand actual "symptoms" they think define aspergers, like cueing into a conversation, talking at people rather than engaging etc. But it is much much more fundamental than that, and until the "experts" realise this we will continue to be misunderstood.

    NTs communicate by a combination of linguistics and pragmatics (looks, gestures, intonation, eye contact etc). People on the autistic spectrum cannot control their pragmatics to good effect.

    The upshot is you are almost bound to have made the wrong facial expression or the wrong gesture needed to back up what you said, for the understanding of NTs. Communication relies on both language and gesture to convey any one meaning. I'm afraid its down to packs of monkeys - they have limited verbal as such, so facial expression, gesture and look are crucial. Being descended from monkeys our use of language is supplemental to pragmatics, not the other way around.

    This is why, I think, people on the spectrum end up with a neutral facial expression, as the safest expression they can develop when trying to communicate.

    This creates further problems. We are naturally anxious about the difficulties of conveying what we mean and being understood.

    This means we are anxious lest authority, like security services, might misunderstand our intentions, and there's enough evidence of police misunderstanding and mishandling people on the spectrum. A major issue in "leading rewarduing and fulfilling lives" is the number of people on the spectrum inappropriately caught up in the judicial system.

    Even though they have been shown that there is no scientific basis, the police still regard people with "shifty eyes" as suspicious and potentially criminal. That does leave the possibility that the police did raid your house because they regarded you as a suspicious person, because of slight AS mannerisms, and when you took in an Irish band, that was sufficient for them to put 2 and 2 together.

    I do like your closing metaphor about the police with their tails between their legs. I have this vision now of curly tails somehow unfurling and hanging between their legs. I cannot stop the image.....

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  • How people interpret what you say is an inevitable consequence of aspergers. The experts concentrate on our ability to read social situations. But what they seem unable to grasp is that we have trouble with our social inputs.

    Oh they think they understand actual "symptoms" they think define aspergers, like cueing into a conversation, talking at people rather than engaging etc. But it is much much more fundamental than that, and until the "experts" realise this we will continue to be misunderstood.

    NTs communicate by a combination of linguistics and pragmatics (looks, gestures, intonation, eye contact etc). People on the autistic spectrum cannot control their pragmatics to good effect.

    The upshot is you are almost bound to have made the wrong facial expression or the wrong gesture needed to back up what you said, for the understanding of NTs. Communication relies on both language and gesture to convey any one meaning. I'm afraid its down to packs of monkeys - they have limited verbal as such, so facial expression, gesture and look are crucial. Being descended from monkeys our use of language is supplemental to pragmatics, not the other way around.

    This is why, I think, people on the spectrum end up with a neutral facial expression, as the safest expression they can develop when trying to communicate.

    This creates further problems. We are naturally anxious about the difficulties of conveying what we mean and being understood.

    This means we are anxious lest authority, like security services, might misunderstand our intentions, and there's enough evidence of police misunderstanding and mishandling people on the spectrum. A major issue in "leading rewarduing and fulfilling lives" is the number of people on the spectrum inappropriately caught up in the judicial system.

    Even though they have been shown that there is no scientific basis, the police still regard people with "shifty eyes" as suspicious and potentially criminal. That does leave the possibility that the police did raid your house because they regarded you as a suspicious person, because of slight AS mannerisms, and when you took in an Irish band, that was sufficient for them to put 2 and 2 together.

    I do like your closing metaphor about the police with their tails between their legs. I have this vision now of curly tails somehow unfurling and hanging between their legs. I cannot stop the image.....

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