help at wits end!

I have a son who is 13 that was diagnosed with aspergers when he was 6 years old.Since this time we have had ups and downs with primary school, mostly for fighting, not ahereing to rules, not being able to sit still, taking himself on walkabouts, the list goes on. 2 caf referrals were done and ignored as he is very intelligent and didnt warrant help!!!!.

Secondary shool there was a transition period as we knew they would be problems, he struggles with different classrooms, teachers, stand ins etc. Every sept was an issue. Not to mention he struggles with boundaries, cause and conseqence etc.

From age 6 to shortly before he left primary he saw a pediatricain who at the last meeting stated as we didnt want him to go on ritalin there was nothing more that could be done and we were discharched. Note we did try ritalin for a month trial but have since discovered it can take 3 mths to 6 mths for it to have an effect so this proved pointless. I was given a prognosis that children witht his condition became aggressive and would most certainly be in trouble with the police and later jail.

At approx 11 years old i vidoed my son having a tantram and took this to my gp who reffered us again to nhs stating we did need help, some months passed and without even seeing us sent both us and gp a letter saying as we already had a diagnoisis it was pointless and instead suggested child and family guidance.

Some time later we tried CAHMS, at first appoinment my son throughout meeting banged, threw and constantly interrupted the meeting to the point i could not think, i made a decision to not return after i was told DIDNT HE PLAY NICELY!!!!!.

A adhd test was also done and i was informed the test was inconclusive!!!!.

We got our son into various clubs, gymnastics, swimming, karate, boxing, football etc etc and after a while we were asked not to bring him back due to his behaviour and or complaints from other parents.

When my son hit 13 last June, the behaviour got worse. The fighting with his siblings (brother age 12), sister (age 7) got more pysical. The cats and dogs were being picked on, one even got dropped out of the window (luckily the cat was fine).  Sleeping patterns were out of the window and would keep us up all hours. Then began the shouting, swearing and screaming that we hadnt seen before.

We tried 2 youth support workers who in our opinion didnt work with our son, just took him to mcdonalds or we took him to play football with other troubled youngsters that invariably ended up in a scuffle.  After 6 weeks on both occasions we were told our time was up!!!.

With the summer hold approaching we got a family support worker, who told my son that at times he was stressed he could leave the house and run off, we were horrifed and advised this was a bad idea.   This has now become a pattern for our son and to this day still absconds at will morning noon or night.

During this time we were advised to try CAHMS again, our son didnt want to go and dispute getting him there, confirmed his name, age and where he went to school and spent the rest of the time causing £5000 worth of damage to our family car.  The report from this meeting stated dan appeared ok and wasnt on aspergers sprectrum, which has been banged on about ever since. How they managed to get to this opninion is beyond my thinking!!!!!.

Meeting made few days later for mental assessment, our son didnt want to go, we asked social services for help, NO HELP.....managed to get him to meeting and dispute ringing beforehand stating please be on time, he doesnt want to come. During the 20 mins they ran late, our son screamed and shouted up and down the hallways, and we were told to keep him quiet as he was upsetting people.  Meeting was abandoned.

During the perioed of school starting again in sept, our son refused to go, stating we couldnt make him go and he didnt have to go if he didnt want to. Absonded so many times i lost count, took rides to some distance away either on buses or trains, all without money. Was found walking up a major road in the dark.  Then the criminal damage started, writing on walls, bashing doors, throwing things around and out of windows, throwing items around in gardens, managed to break a wooden wardrobe and collapsed with him inside it. We had to keep all windows locked as this was a means to escape. We had to and still do have to keep all keys locked away as he throws them away. Then the threats to kill himself started which upset us all.

On the 25/10 after being in foster placement for 6 days (they asked for him to be removed), constant running away, problems at school.

Social services at this point rang for me to go see my son before he was taken some 75 miles away to a care placement, I had 15 mins with him before he was taken away.

Since this time, our son is on social worker number 3, normally he visits every weekend, they have all tried to ban home visits at some stage or another as in his best interests, mostly told to us on the day that he was due to be coming home.  We had calls listened to for 3 WEEKS and dispute nothing coming of thsi we get told that our calls are upsetting, well wouldnt they be upsetting to a 13 year old living 75 miles away from home.

We have asked repeatedly for him to be moved closer so that instead of the big build up at the weekend that he could come home for tea, or to watch a film, walk the dog etc etc to maintain the family unit. We have been ignored.

He absonds, on 3 of these numerous occasions he has managed to get back home. Full time school (part of placement) didnt commence until new year, prior to that he was either home tutored or work sent back to the care placement or school was a few hrs each day. For over a mth now school is 1pm to 3pm daily in order to seperate our son from another pupil.

Accusations have been thick and fast, from workers at the school calling him names to manhandling him, from several of the care workers again calling him names and manhandling him and even to the care manager herself, Also various issues with the other 2 yps within the home aged 16 and 18, fighting, argueing, stealing, absconding together, the list is endless.  Most recent our son told us that he had been smoking weed and drinking cider, we asked care staff and it was denied. However 2 weeks later another member confirmed it, this again has since been denied.  An investigation was complied and we were advised by ss that all accussations were NO EVIDENCE!!!!!!.

On the 25th may we were denied a home visit due to behaviours and being only told the day before and the fact that it was 2 family members birthdays we felt it inportant to see our son. We rang the placement and was told it was short notice to inform them, call was ended stating there was issues with the other 2yps in the house (no mention of our son). We traveeled the 75 miles and the grandparents nearly 150 miles to meet at placement.  2 new care workers were on shift and when dan stated he had been drunk and stoned again the night before we were all horrified. Care worker confirmed in records that dans drinking had been recorded along with the other 2 yps.

We at this point decided that as our son was not being kept safe and well and taking into account the other concerns, eg we have 9 mths of his food intake and its poor to say the least, no wonder he has put on 2 stone. Takeaways once a week. 3/4 activities all week plus being paid to attend school we felt was teaching him everything had its price and now will do NOTHING unless we pay him for it. Plus during a[past visit recently he was seen on the roof and dispute there being 2 care workers outside they did nothing to coax him down. The care manager has admitted some staff dont challenge him and have been spoken to regarding this. Our son also has an influx of money every visit and he now tells us that once worker gave him £10 every shift to behave and worryinly this appears to add up. I have heard over calls being passed from worker to my son that they appear to bow down to his demands.

We have now after a meeting following this friday been told that ss plan to take legal action against us and take our son back to this placement,. Dispute viewing our concerns we were told that the latest drink/drugs didnt happen and it was apparant from ss take from the placement that records have been doctored, if it was my son causing the issues why wasnt this told to me in the phonecall thurs night. Also it was implied that our son got the drink/drugs from us. Taking into account the other yp was off school to smoking weed on site it doesnt take a genuis to work out where he got it from. This was confirmed by one of the teachers. The care manager during this meeting stated well he doesnt do it much and the social workers manager deemed it normal for his age to be doing this.

From the date off removing our son it hasnt been easy, he has so many learned behaviours from within the placement we are back to square one and worse it would seem. He has vandalised both our cars, broken a window, wrecked both our front and back gardens, thrown stuff around in the home, written all over wallpaper, stolen £150, absconded til early hours of the morning. We have not notified anyone as we feel that strongly against him going back. However the Police were called yesterday as i was home alone with him and after refusing him £5, ransacked the house and threw rocks at the door, causing me to fear for my safety.

I do belive that our son needs a placement just not the one that he is in, I also believe that his chances of returning to mainstream school is non excisent not helped by the fact that he is not statemented. This is a viscious circle as sservices have stated his aspergers assessment from 8 years ago is now in question.  

YET 9 MONTHS LATER STILL NO ASSESSMENT HAS BEEN DONE DUE TO FUNDING IM TOLD!!!!!

Surely this is the least that our son deserves so that we may all and more importantly HE can move forward.

I apologise this is so long and ive made it brief, we just are desperate for help yet the help social serives are offering is to take him away for good!!!, so much for working with families to retain the children in their family homes.

Now they bang on about our son having a distachement disorder, note banned visits, living so far away, tried to ban a visit on 2 familes birthdays, yet they state we have caused this.

Im at a loss and just want the best for my son. xx

  • Hello all again   :)

    My son is still currently residing at a secure unit in Essex which is hard as we live in south Devon.   At long last his assessments have now been completed after nearly 18 months of battling. As per nearly 9 years ago (was diagnosed with aspergers) they have decided he has ASD and ADHD, currently on concerta XL though no improvements as yet.

    Social services have now decided my son needs a special placement and we have been offered Cambridge or Southampton, we are led to believe there is no where in the south west.

    Does anyone know if there a list of placement providers which I can research also has to have schooling on site.

    Just defies belief that there is no where closer to home so that we can have more contact with our son.

    Many thanks

  • Social services are now interferring with my two other children though they have spoken to them numeruous times and visited their schools and been told there is no problem with them.  This is due to their intent to blame our other sons behaviour on bad parenting!!!.

    In other words, they don't want to address the real issue here - that your eldest has a geniune medical condition, for which he needs help for and it's sod all to do with your parenting.

    Have you got your MP involved?

    as I have my own house i am not eligible for legal aid

    The house you live in is ignored for legal aid. It's only houses that you own that you don't lvie in.

  • Still waiting for assessments, have had to go to court over funding as they are intent of sharing the costs between myself, my partner and my sons solictors. Beggars belief really when its s services that actually want it for us.

    This has now been going on for just over 12 months and my son is now in his 3rd placement, unfort still the secure unit, where he is making no progress at all.

    I can see no light at the end of the tunnel and I am losing hope that he will ever be reunited with us at home.

  • i dont think its amusing at all, nothing about your story or the way your family are being treated is funny in any way, its DISGUSTING , i  am absolutely horrified this is still going on in this day and age

    but im rarely surprised, you aren't alone there are many suffering this kind of nmeglect and mistreatment by authorities who SHOULD be helping, but there are also people who are (like nas for example) always doing what they can for people like you in soceity as best as they can, ie campaining, free help where they can etc,

    but the change in soceity will be a while yet, but i can tell you i do think its coming to a head and it wont be long till things will be different

    if you need to come on here and talk this all out, do it, you are fully entilted to 

  • ps, we do have a solicitor dealing with the care orders, however due to the many complaints etc that we feel we have in view of the whole case, this cldnt be taken on board by the legal services commission and as I have my own house i am not eligible for legal aid.

    We have been careful with his diet since he was diagnosed some 8 yrs ago but to be fair seen very little difference. We also tried eyeq for 6 months but again made very little difference.  Some foods do seem to made his behaviour worse but not to the extreme.

    However since being in care his food intake etc has been poor, he has put on 2 stone since oct. Yest his dinner was fishfingers chips and spag hoops, to me this is just cheap junk!!!!.  When you think s services are paying in excess of £6k a week for this type of placement, it beggars belief.

  • Many thanks for your message, its good just to be able to talk to other people who may or may not be in a similar situation, as to be frank at times I feel I am losing my mind!.

    Since writing this my son was moved into a new placement an hr away with a local school nearby (though shut for the holidays). To be honest we were pleased with the placement, though all the incentives they give children does teach them to do nothing unless rewarded for it!.

    Social services recently ontained the interim care order they wanted for my son and dicated we could only visit him on a sat between 2 and 6 and this had to be along with 2 care staff!. We adhered to this as obviously we couldnt argue with the court order.

    Unfort since this he has assaulted several staff and absconded on almost a daily basis, 3 weeks ago today we were advised late on a fri afternoon by my sons social worker that they were transferring my son to a secure unit some 250 miles away, meaning a 5hr road trip. We havent as yet seem him due to the financial cost and though weve been told it will be assisted we have heard nothing. Not to mention the unit have restricted visiting for ONE HOUR only though social worker has stated she has spoken to the unit and due to the distance we are away we can have 2 hours.  So we face in access of a 10 hour return trip journey for a 2 hr visit.

    Phone calls which were every other day for half an hr have been reduced to 10 mins every other day.

    Assessments are still pending!!!!!!!

    Now the family court has decided this case is now too complex and transferring the case to the county court.

    Social services are now interferring with my two other children though they have spoken to them numeruous times and visited their schools and been told there is no problem with them.  This is due to their intent to blame our other sons behaviour on bad parenting!!!.

    We have now been told that both myself and my partner have to undergo pysciatric assessments ourselves, not even locally but over an hours drive away, my work colleagues (23 years service) think this is quite amusing, however this is yet again adding to the stress that all of my family are having to endure.

    xx

  • i am so sorry to hear about all this again im disgusted by the system and those who are supposed to help

    your son is obviously very stressed, so will you be, but obviously his outbursts dont make him any easier to deal with and it does seem to  make people judge rather than help, which is again disgusting but not that surprising, most of them havent a clue about autism or how to help people who have it or their families, but this is one of the worse stories i have read about on here 

    you have to get help from someone , a lawyer, mp someone who can help, even if they are just there to support you 

    the only things i can offer of practical help are take notice of things like his diet, does he get worse at certain times, maybe after eating or drinking certain foods, or maybe NOT eating or drinking certain foods

    how are his own coping stratgeies, does he have solid routines he can rely on for when he is stressed, thats VERY important for him to be able to 'move on' from any stress or frustration

    obviously all of this is going to be affecting him, and if he gets worse it will probably mean something about it isnt working for him, be it th eperson, what they say/do, wear/smell like/how they sound

    you NEED to speak to someone about seeing a person who has experience with autism, at the very least, as the cmht and others involved , from what you have described here, dont have any or much and dont understand it, or how it afects people with it (or their family/carers)

    whether it is autism, or something else, he doesnt seem to be treated or helped in any way thats making a difference to him , his behaviour or whatever problem he does have

    if he has a biological problem like autism etc no one CAUSED it, they can state that all the want, they are just repeating steryotypes about something they dont understand, the cause of autism is unknown

  • am still desperate and wld love to hear from anyone. xx

  • Thanks to those that replied to my message.

    As advised i have started a new thread, to be honest i thought i had, apologies xx