Disappearing Messages/Posts, 2018. (EDIT.)

Note by WebPM: I have split this off from the photography thread partly to make this discussion more accessible to others who have questions, and partly to keep the other thread on topic.)

...Finally, this is to WebPM. I may Post again, though. But after 3, 4 attempts to find WebPMs Post, I could not, and then I recall a thing said by MrRobert123, in that Replies Change depending upon how a Thread is entered, and so I clicked upon the Thread TITLE, instead of any reply (from the HOME Screen... and now I finally see your Reply, Mr.WebPM.

(I wanted to keep this Thread about Pictures, but then that happens, and so I Post it here, as it happened, rather than my previous Thread. Excuse Me.)

EDIT - From DC: This Post now does not entirely make sense, when used  as a Starting Post or as an Introduction. To anyone reading, Please ignore the sentence here which says that this Thread is "about pictures", for THIS Thread is not about pictures at all..!! Most of all, Please see the first *Real* Post from myself, below. I myself can only wait to see what other people (including NAS) do regarding this Thread...

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  • This time, it is WebPMs message (and 2 others) which is missing. From the same day, entered NOT via the Title. (Monday Tomorrow, Hope you are well, WebPM.)

  • These are really helpful, thank you. I'm sorry for the trouble you've had to go to in order to paste these, but they make things so much clearer, so I appreciate your help. Since the pattern appears to be consistent, I think I have enough screen shots.

    I can see what's happening, and I think I understand the reasons. I'm not sure either whether it's intended to work that way, or whether, if it is, that's a good idea, so it's going to take me some time to investigate. I'll try to have an answer in a couple of weeks; I'm not sure, especially with the holiday coming, whether I can do better than that.

    The difference is, as I think  has suggested, between a view that is centred on a message, and a view of the whole thread. This forum,as we know, takes a "nesting" approach, that takes account of the fact that I am replying to a message from DC, and shows that by indenting my message under DC's. By contrast, in a "linear" forum, my message would always be last, even if DC's were ten messages higher in the thread.

    So, if you follow a link to my message in this thread, the software is mostly concerned to show my message in context with DC's, and also any replies to my message in particular. For that reason, it does not show any other replies to DC's message. If I scroll down a bit and use Load Next, those other replies appear, but below the messages that are already showing. These Load Next links are just out of shot in most of the screen images above.

    If you follow a link to the whole thread, then all replies are shown in their places (although you may have to use Load Next or Load Previous to display them). As a result, if you've started with a link to a message, the "missing" messages under discussion in this thread may, when revealed, appear somewhat lower down in the thread than if you started with a link to the thread.

    Links to messages appear in email notifications, and also in the forum in "In reply to" links above messages. Links to the thread appear in listings of the topics in a particular forum, and of course the list of topics on the forum home page.

    As I said, I am not sure that listing the same messages in different orders in different circumstances is helpful. I will need to look into this before commenting much further, including speaking to the software suppliers.

    I am sorry to DC for causing offence by moving this topic into a separate thread. It has been helpful to me to be able to see this topic in isolation from others, and has made it easier to understand. My apologies if that was not true for others. I'll try to find better ways of starting a new thread if I do need to move messages, but I was conscious that starting a split thread with a message of my own would complicate the nesting and ordering.

    I have mentioned before that, in my view, neither nested nor linear forums cope well when many themes are discussed together in one thread. We've seen what happens in a nested forum such as this. In a linear forum, contributors tend to quote massively from the messages to which they are replying, because several essentially-unrelated messages are interspersed, and the whole string becomes huge and hard to read.

  • To WebPM: Thank You in return, you are so very honest, and of course, Thanks Much for all that you do here. My own Point-Of-View is that I would usually say "どういたしまして"... yet I AM glad to have helped someone important with something important and to have a genuine appreciation stated about my doing so...! :-O & :-D

    Yet you say that you "have enough screen shots", and so I am now wondering if that is the end of this Thread, or something...? (It shall thence disappear underneath the great tide of "I have a child" Temporary Posters...)

    I should add that, perhaps apart from the last Picture, I made certain to press *all* "Load Next/Previous" Options, before Posting the Pictures. And again I say that it does not seem to make a difference if I am Logged In or not. Another person doing the same may have different results...?

    With regards to causing "offence", it is as I said: I did not expect it, yet this was made worse by my not being correctly able to find it... It was the idea that I created it when I actually did not, that threw me... yet that is all grist to the mill for myself (i.e. experience).

    If you reply to this Post, then please do so separately from the next, for it addresses a different matter which is not a problem to myself yet may help some others. Good Fortune to Yourself, as always. :-)

  • There are two more examples of the same thing recently, where on entering a thread you only see the summary of upvoted posts, and not the posts themselves until you click on one of those summaries

    I experience the same problem!

  • Hello Ms/Mr @WebPM

    There are two more examples of the same thing recently, where on entering a thread you only see the summary of upvoted posts, and not the posts themselves until you click on one of those summaries:

    http://community.autism.org.uk/f/miscellaneous-and-chat/12697/encouraged-to-move-nearer-relatives-by-mental-health-facilitator/

    http://community.autism.org.uk/f/miscellaneous-and-chat/12136/new-friend/74338#74338

    So it looks like it has repeated - is it something in the HTML of the comments, or the page structure?

  • Working now. I wondered if it might be why some other comments weren't showing.

  • Please try it now. This was an HTML issue, and looks like something of a one-off. However, we are working with our suppliers to try to prevent any repetition.

    Regards


  • OK, here's an odd one: http://community.autism.org.uk/f/adults-on-the-autistic-spectrum/12572/trying-to-get-support/ lists '7 replies', and at the moment none of them are showing up for me.

    When you go to the thread ~ or seeming lack of it, tap or click the name of the upvoted poster's (such as your post) and the posts should appear like the with the Load Previous or Load Next tabs at various points through long threads.

    If that helps any?

  • We're working on this one, which seems a rather unusual issue. I'll post again when we have had time to investigate more.

  • Even stranger is that I now have the same problem with the thread that you and Robert have described above, but earlier when I replied all messages showed up.

  • Yes, same here. That was when Song's reply was the only one voted up.  Now I've voted up

    no still just seeing the first two 'Top replies' and no responses underneath.

  • Good example .

    But when I press on song's reply, all messages appear.

  • OK, here's an odd one: http://community.autism.org.uk/f/adults-on-the-autistic-spectrum/12572/trying-to-get-support/ lists '7 replies', and at the moment none of them are showing up for me.

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