Deepthought said:Milton does not suggest that non-autistic people are less capable of developing an understanding of autism than vice versa; as he points out, it is simply that autistic people have no choice but to try to develop an understanding of society if they are to ‘survive and potentially thrive’ whereas no such imperative applies in the opposite direction (Milton 2012).
The thing that makes me smile here, is Milton's and other's hypothesis that there is no imperative for non-autistic people to use an Autistic Theory-of-Mind (or AToM) ~ with my amusement arising from the fact that non-autistic and autistic parents have been having and raising autistic children for thousands of years now, and the use of an AToM or a Divergent Theory of Mind (DToM) has remained historically concurrent in all cultures and societies, therefore.
Also, societal ToM models that involve 'surviving and potentially thriving' ideologies featuring 'imperatives' are proving currently to be more and more unreliable, whereas when we live as we actually are ~ we thereby facilitate our life as it actually is in the dependable and reliable sense.
Don’t you find it a very blunt instrument of judgement though?
ElephantInTheRoom said:Don’t you find it a very blunt instrument of judgement though?
If judgement is employed the blunt instrument factor can very much become the case, yes. How do you imagine its application to be like a blunt instrument in the above respect?
Have I just picked the pre-packed Amazon Prime delivered, societally alpha and beta tested version of a ND woman and presented it to you in a palatable and digestible form....one ND turd, polished, presented and certainly non threatening...lol....ta da!
Whose idea of self do i conform to? She said scratching her head? Lol
The one furthest from the mind of you and deepest in the heart of you as sparkling and scintillating the purest luminosity of you ~ perhaps?
"Existential angst abounds ..."
It too will pass . . .
So, DeepThought.....are you at peace with your place on this little bauble in space?
"So, DeepThought.....are you at peace with your place on this little bauble in space?"
I am content with where I am in the universe now, as I have a hard earned more or less working peace treaty on the go psychologically and physiologically.
Riddle me this great oracle....
does everything have to be hard earned? Is humanity just the process of watching a person wiggle out of their own wet paper bag., .... .....on a serious note
Have you reached the peak of Maslow’s mountain?
”. Self-actualization, according to Maslow, represents growth of an individual toward fulfillment of the highest needs; those for meaning in life, in particular. Carl Rogers also created a theory implicating a “growth potential” whose aim was to integrate congruently the “real self” and the “ideal self” thereby cultivating the emergence of the “fully functioning person”. It was Maslow, however, who created a psychological hierarchy of needs, the fulfillment of which theoretically leads to a culmination of fulfillment of “being values”, or the needs that are on the highest level of this hierarchy, representing meaning.”
The following is what I got in my e-mail in box and had an answer for:
does everything have to be hard earned? Is humanity watching a person wiggle out of their own wet paper bag.
Climbing a mountain may not be easy, but the hard work involved is certainly worth it ~ for those who find it as such to be. Either way, easier work is involved with it too ~ such as appreciating the progressive levels and perspectives of the views.
'Is humanity watching a person wiggle out of their own wet paper bag.'
In some ways yes, as some people watch as a person has a seizure for example, and in some ways no as some people will help quite readily, and others will walk straight on past.
"Have you reached the peak of Maslow’s mountain?"
I did not as such reach the peak of Maslow's "mountain," as I reached the peak of my mountain instead.
I did though 'reach' the steps of Maslow's 'Hierarchy' or 'Pyramid' of developmental needs, when I started studying psychology, at the end of the eighties.
As far as the Maslow model of needs goes, it is too functionally muddled and abstract for me, on account of it being all too western-modern ideology-expectation specific, and in order to save me some writing, abridging and editing energy, consider perhaps the following:
My model of 'parallel' coexisting sensibilities and needs; is as follows:
Carl Rogers also created a theory implicating a “growth potential” whose aim was to integrate congruently the “real self” and the “ideal self” thereby cultivating the emergence of the “fully functioning person”.
In my experience of things, I have found it more to be a case of integrating the intuitions and vitalisations of the "real self" or conscious sole ~ through the realities of the experiential selves, and as such actualise a more real or direct awareness of individual existence ~ rather than being distracted by imagining another me!!!
Sensational! ...... I shall return......the left corner of my paper bag is causing issues and I must away to work! Stand by your inbox....whichever you is there.....real, ideal, or spare me :)
.....a silly flippant thought....as you know I can be both things....plus prone to finking!
am I reaching an existential epiphany or just having a seizure?
Love the new avatar, at first I thought, Dax from star trek DS9. Now I realise it's Janet Leigh from Psycho.
Thank you Robert. Don't overthink the connection between the femme fetale and autism!