I like eating chicken (rant alert)

NAS71232 said:

where the animals, bred for consumption are treated humanely

As someone who's been vegan for over 25 years (and vegetarian before that), this phrase - for me - is oxymoronic / self-contradictory.

NAS71232 said:

I'm fully aware that animals eat each other, so veganism is rather silly when you factor that.

Animals can't buy ethical, vegan alternatives, but we can 

NAS71232 said:

I know this post is naive

I don't think that your upset or alarm are naive at all. This general line of thinking is what people can often go through before reaching a decision to become vegetarian or vegan.

I shared a quote recently in another thread. Together with learning more about egg farming and the dairy industry, it helped in motivating me to switch from being vegetarian to vegan. The "needlessly" aspect, in particular, helped me to question and explore whether eating animal-derived products was necessary at all.

"I would not enter on my list of friends
(Though graced with polished manners and fine sense,
Yet wanting sensibility) the man
Who needlessly sets foot upon a worm."

From:

English Verse - "Care for the Lowest", by William Cowper

  These days, it's possible to get everything we need without eating them, or what they produce.

How do you get on with eating out Bunny? I find theres still a massive amount of ignorance about what being vegetarian means, let alone being vegan, or plant based, whatever that really means? 

Maybe the way forward for meat eating is to eat less, but better quality meat, treat it as a treat, make use of all of it, if you have a chicken, pick the carcase down and reuse all the meat in various dishes and boil up the bones for stock. 

One fo the things that confuses me about meat eaters is how hard they try and not know that they eat animals, I'm not an ethical vegetarian, so I don't have a problem with people eating meat, I just have a problem with the dishonesty about it, I think if you're going to eat meat then you should be prepared to kill the animal yourself and if you can't face that then don't eat it.

TheCatWoman said:

One fo the things that confuses me about meat eaters is how hard they try and not know that they eat animals,

It does not take any effort to not think about something like this so I think you misunderstand the approach most take.

For the majority thinking about the cruelty behind the creation of the meat is up there with thinking about homeless people, child abuse, genocide in the Middle East and Africa, government control of so much of our lives, the disparity between the rich and the poor etc etc.

For them it is a subject that is uncomfortable to think about so is mentally filed away somewhere that it will not cause more distress in our already heavily stressed lives.

Having the capacity to worry about these things is seen as a luxury that they cannot afford since they need to worry about their jobs, their kids, paying the bills, the annoying neighbour, the vets bills for the dog, the car maintenance that is coming up, what to get their partner for their birthday etc etc.

It is wilful avoidance of thinking about it for good reasons - but one persons value of "good" is probably different to anothers.

TheCatWoman said:

One fo the things that confuses me about meat eaters is how hard they try and not know that they eat animals,

It does not take any effort to not think about something like this so I think you misunderstand the approach most take.

For the majority thinking about the cruelty behind the creation of the meat is up there with thinking about homeless people, child abuse, genocide in the Middle East and Africa, government control of so much of our lives, the disparity between the rich and the poor etc etc.

For them it is a subject that is uncomfortable to think about so is mentally filed away somewhere that it will not cause more distress in our already heavily stressed lives.

Having the capacity to worry about these things is seen as a luxury that they cannot afford since they need to worry about their jobs, their kids, paying the bills, the annoying neighbour, the vets bills for the dog, the car maintenance that is coming up, what to get their partner for their birthday etc etc.

It is wilful avoidance of thinking about it for good reasons - but one persons value of "good" is probably different to anothers.

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