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Are we Otroverts?

TheCatWoman

Theres an article in todays Guardian about this newly recognosed personality type, it describes people who feel like they don't belong, wish for emotional independence and have lots of original idea?

If you are then you'd be in the company of the likes of Freida Khaloe and Albert Einstein, but then who wouldn't want to be up there with those great minds?

Do you think this describes many autistic people?

Could this be a way of normalising ND, by adding another personality type rather than Jung's intorverts and extroverts?

  • I don’t really see the point in it but I honestly would rather it take attention away from autism and other neurodivergences. Every single story or person who feels out of place all of a sudden gets labeled as autistic even when there are no communication differences or RRBs, even when they aren’t disabled in any way. 

  • in reply to Alien0n3arth

    Perhaps you are intelligent and cannot see it yourself? 

  • TheCatWoman said:
    Could this be a way of normalising ND, by adding another personality type rather than Jung's intorverts and extroverts?

    I'm not sure, it's just a communication and interaction style, communication differences are only a part of the diagnostic criteria for ASD, there are also repetitive movements, routines, very intense and limited interests, there is a mention of good social skills on the otrovert characteristics list, but its not the case for most of autistic people, in autism criteria are also sensory differences,  there is no mention of them about the otroverts. So I think, that someone can be both, otrovert and autistic, but otrovert is not equal to autistic. The discovery of this new personality Type may lead to discovery of some people being otroverts, but misdiagnosed as autistic- i think. Like it was in some cases of HSPs, as I heard in one Video about HSP on YouTube.

  • in reply to Autismman

    This one is not easy for me. I'm also never popular, but at some occasions it happens, that others consider me somehow super smart. It was for example in the language class, I'm really good at languages and grammar, others somehow noticed that quickly and they assigned the hardest part of the project to me.

  • I couldn’t find the article in the online edition of today’s Guardian on the Library website, but I found this link https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/otrovert-personality-child_uk_683d5ed1e4b0cceca4070016

    Some of the personality attributes of an otrovert resonate with me, but I don’t know how much is down to personality and how much is due to being autistic. I don’t identify with several of the other otrovert traits. 

    TheCatWoman said:
    Could this be a way of normalising ND, by adding another personality type rather than Jung's intorverts and extroverts?

    It’s an interesting thought, but it wouldn’t work if we took on an otrovert personality type, because not all of us would fit in the same personality type and we would need further sub types. I think that autistic styles of understanding the world are entirely different to personality types.

    The Huffington Post article, referring to the psychiatrist who wrote the book, says ‘Dr Kaminski described the otrovert child as “neurotypical, friendly, curious, well-adjusted, and often popular” yet “they resist being pressured into group activities”.’ This would suggest that he has considered autism and discounted it in identifying otrovert. Also if Albert Einstein could have been an otrovert, does that mean he couldn’t have been autistic?

  • in reply to Autismman

    It can feel very Emporors New Clothes, nobody wants to believe thier that gullable or that thier that easy to read.

  • in reply to Iain

    Might want to get that jaundice looked at. 

  • in reply to Alien0n3arth

    I’d only trust my judgement with particular things like my judgment of people. That’s been sharpened very well over the years. Can smell a bad egg a mile away.

  • in reply to TheCatWoman

    I can’t say I relate to the social skills either. Without much want to be social I haven’t acquired the skills naturally. On the conformity I do find that it’s hard to not seem like you are deliberately trying to be different for the sake of being different, there’s a lot of judgement if you dare speak or go against the popular vote. 

  • in reply to TheCatWoman

    Yes, the social skills is tge part that doesn't fit me too. 

  • in reply to Autismman

    Its very like me, although I wouldn't say I'm socially skilled as I suffer from terrible foot in mouth disease and questioning group dynamics dosen't always make me popular, especially with group leaders and conformists. I'm not comfortable with groups, I don't really do groups, I think it might be because many groups want some kind of emotional bond that I don't really connect with, I feel like they're trying to control me, by asking for some sort of conformity.

  • in reply to Autismman

    Very much like me, but I'm not independent, in fact I myself often have no idea if and what I feel and I don't trust my judgement. 

  • I thought you said Ottovert

    https://despicableme.fandom.com/wiki/Otto

    I can identify with looking like that when in the building site.

  • Reading up on the otrovert type it does seem to match a common autistic personality. I can relate to it a lot actually. 

    Here's a more detailed look at the characteristics of an otrovert:
    • Not an introvert or extrovert:
      Otroverts are not necessarily introverted or extroverted, though they may exhibit some traits of both. They are not driven by the need to be alone like introverts, nor do they crave constant social interaction like extroverts. 
    • Deep one-on-one connections:
      Otroverts value deep, meaningful relationships with individuals but often feel disconnected within larger groups. 
    • Discomfort with group dynamics:
      They may feel alienated or uncomfortable in group settings, especially when there is pressure to conform or participate in group activities. 
    • Emotional independence:
      Otroverts are emotionally independent and prefer to rely on their own judgment and values rather than conforming to group norms. 
    • Authenticity:
      They value authenticity and tend to be true to themselves, even if it means standing apart from the crowd. 
    • Unique perspective:
      Otroverts' tendency to observe and question group dynamics can lead to unique insights and original thinking. 
    • May be popular but not conformist:
      Otroverts can be socially skilled and popular, but they are not driven by the need to fit in or be accepted by the group. 
    • Gift of not belonging:
      This personality type is characterized by a feeling of not belonging to any particular group, which can be a source of strength and allows them to see things from a different perspective. 

      From Google Ok hand