Feeling cut off

Would the 2,000 years old Ironage Melsonby (Yorkshire) hoard (over 800 items) be of interest? 

I found it interesting to learn that they had 4-wheeled carts and decorations demonstrating continental european techniques and red coral embellishments.

Both Durham University and Southampton University have been involved with the ongoing discovery and conservation studies.

www.yorkshiremuseum.org.uk/.../

How amazing that a hoard from one small site can change how we think about Iron Age Britain. I wonder if it’s significance is something other than a high status burial? There is no evidence of a grave or a cremation, yet the placement of the artefacts is similar to grave depositions in Denmark, France and Germany. So what was the significant event that led to this deposit? 

The artefact analysis reports that the burning of wealth as reflected in the hoard, could change how we think about wealth and status in Iron Age Britain. 

https://www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/archaeology/melsonby-hoard/artefacts/

One curio was the description that they have determined some of the metal wheels had been deliberately mishapen. 

I wondered if the symbolism was similar to that of iron age swords previously found in Western Germany - where it was described the warriors deliberately bent the swords of their defeated foe when they had bested them in battle.

TheCatWoman said:

maybe I should have some ubshebti's made so as they can put it all back together again?

Good thinking!

I have a few replica Neolithic & Bronze Age figurines. I’ll ask them to assist.

I suspect I will end up in the afterlife with a pile of bits of all the tech I've broken, maybe I should have some ubshebti's made so as they can put it all back together again?

 TheCatWoman has a unique relationship with her tech and with its afterlife, though I suspect her computer will end up on a higher sphere than that of my beloved iMac LOL.

You have reminded me of my favourite phone of all time - a Panasonic flip phone. It nestled perfectly in the hand, practically holding itself in place, not like my iPhone which has a nasty habit of falling through my fingers.

Mine was a 95 turbo, petrol, wow when that turbo kicked in it was like being in a rocket! I loved the build quality of the Saab, little things like the way the flip down windscreen shades had another section that flipped sideways, so as you could see when driving in low northern light in winter and weren't blinded.

The 99 turbo was an awesome car with some really cool features - like locking it in reverse when taking the keys out to stop people trying to move it or jump start it.

I did an engine replacement for a friend when I was a young man which was surprisingly straightforward for a car like this - I was impressed by the build quality.

Just don't talk to me about the windscreen wiper motors - you needed a gynocologists hands to be able to access them to do any repair / replacement.

Go and do something witty and amusingly rude Iain, something that would upset the censors!

I would be happy to find my old Saab as my afterlife transport, I loved that car and I'm not usually someone who gets attached to things like that. A garage murdered it instead of fixing it. Driving it made me feel like a viking, that car was made by vikings for vikings, I could fluff up my tail lay back my ears and put my foot down and sail past all the numpties in thier beemers and souped up corsas with ease

ArchaeC said:

The killing of inanimate objects to allow it to travel to the afterlife is a fascinatinatimg hypothesis .

Can you imagine arriving in the afterlife and finding your old Windows 95 computer, Nokia flip phone and modem being the only things you remembered to properly send ahead?

Spending all eternity with these as your form of interaction with others in the afterlife.

I guess you could always ask TheCatWoman for some of her tech - it seems to be sent to other side of the veil with amazing rapidity LOL.

I think that there's no definition of shamanism, because shamanism isn't a set of beliefs in the same way that a religion is. With a religion you have a standard set of beliefs, with some variations and maybe a common ancestry, like with Abrahamic religions, with Shamanism it's much more difuse, and evidence for practices is much harder to find, a shaman will cross to the otherworld for a purpose, such as obtaining a cure for sickness, to commune with the ancestors or gods on behalf of the community, these things leave little evidence, you might find masks or ttraces of halucinogens, possible mirrors or bags of bits and pieces, but they're few and far between and tells us noting of the how something was practiced or the reasons for doing so. We can get idea from societies that currently practice shamanism, such as Saami, Siberians, Africans and some First Nation peoples in the Americas and Australsia. Shamanism and indeed any polythethist practice takes a profound readjustment of thinking for those of us brought up either as secular or Abrahamic faiths. We have to ditch the ideas of the so called enlightenment and start thinking of an animate universe, a universe where everything is connected, everything has soul and purpose and is active. It is also a different world view to something like Buddhism, in many ways its the opposite of eastern religious and spiritual practices where this world is something unreal and to be discarded and suffering is somehow of spiritual benefit.

I could go on somemore, but just sit with those thoughts for a while and next time you go for a walk see how many living entities you share your world with! I promise it will be both surprising, time consuming and an eye opener.

If you want a quick glimpse into shamanic practice as it may have been in Anglo Saxons times, then try reading, The Way of Wyrd, but Brian Bates.

I think that there's no definition of shamanism, because shamanism isn't a set of beliefs in the same way that a religion is. With a religion you have a standard set of beliefs, with some variations and maybe a common ancestry, like with Abrahamic religions, with Shamanism it's much more difuse, and evidence for practices is much harder to find, a shaman will cross to the otherworld for a purpose, such as obtaining a cure for sickness, to commune with the ancestors or gods on behalf of the community, these things leave little evidence, you might find masks or ttraces of halucinogens, possible mirrors or bags of bits and pieces, but they're few and far between and tells us noting of the how something was practiced or the reasons for doing so. We can get idea from societies that currently practice shamanism, such as Saami, Siberians, Africans and some First Nation peoples in the Americas and Australsia. Shamanism and indeed any polythethist practice takes a profound readjustment of thinking for those of us brought up either as secular or Abrahamic faiths. We have to ditch the ideas of the so called enlightenment and start thinking of an animate universe, a universe where everything is connected, everything has soul and purpose and is active. It is also a different world view to something like Buddhism, in many ways its the opposite of eastern religious and spiritual practices where this world is something unreal and to be discarded and suffering is somehow of spiritual benefit.

I could go on somemore, but just sit with those thoughts for a while and next time you go for a walk see how many living entities you share your world with! I promise it will be both surprising, time consuming and an eye opener.

If you want a quick glimpse into shamanic practice as it may have been in Anglo Saxons times, then try reading, The Way of Wyrd, but Brian Bates.