Introduction and appeal

Hello, this is an introduction and appeal for information/help/advice in one.

Since this may go to some kind of litigation in the future perhaps you can refer 

to me as tiredverytired, this properly reflects my feelings regarding our local

NHS mental health department.

I have an Autistic daughter and was briefly on this forum quite some time ago

when we could not get her assessed by the Mental health authority local to us.

The details are very long winded but basically they stalled us at every turn

and delayed her diagnosis for a good ten years, in fact more than this but I

am removing 3 or 4 years as the actual process time for wait list etc.. that

I suppose you have to expect.

The later half leading to eventually getting her diagnosed was a fairly bad 

tempered afair with us complaining considerably about their delaying and also

about certain discussions we had with various Doctors about my daughters needs 

being met and she did not require a diagnosis.

She was eventually diagnosed in an assessment, to clarify at this time she was

higher functioning autism. Unfortunately since then she has developed pyschosis

which has returned/persisted and is thought to be schizophrenia.

It is my personal belief that my local mental health authority are a bunch of self 

serving morons that make it up as they go along. They are obsessed with protecting

their funds and impeding us helping our daughter. Because of our criticisms they 

have adopted an antagonistic approach and are misrepresenting us in medical notes.

My daughter's mom has sought legal advice, there is a clear case of state 

abuse/neglect however the last case in our area which came up led to the mother 

being character assasinated and her child being removed from her. 

We both believe that they [NHS mental health] have been trying to errode and falsly 

suggest a lack of care, and embed historical lack of care etc.. in notes to 

mitigate themselves and their errors. They also know all our complaints and

seem to be setting out their stall so to speak with a view to defending themselves

at a later date.

1. Can we do anything about this abuse of notetaking and deliberate lying.

2. How best can we proceed to ensure we hold them to task now and in the future.

Due to disclosure of information we have obtained all my daughters notes and their 

are many incorrect statements in them with clear misrepresentations.

Basically it boils down to them trying to prevent/stall/avoid diagnosis

then defend and cover themselves legally.

Does anyone have any ideas on the best approach we should take.

Forgive spelling/grammar.

Tiredverytired...

Parents
  • Where do you begin and on what grounds.

    When so many things are wrong clearly something should be done but how?

    I would imagine a class action would have to be about one thing with many parties involved.

    What recourse does a parent have in recording their complaints and getting heard.

    You can submit a complaint directly and if not satisfied with the way it is dealt with continue it into an official complaint. This is not that easy or straightforward though.

    I would suggest to anyone that even though it may be fruitless it is still worth doing. If for no other reason than it provides you with some tangible written evidence that at that point in time you had an issue.

    One problem with any complaint or discussion you wish to raise is that all meetings and even complaints filed are made very narrow in focus. Just like the patient when he goes to a Doctor must have one ailment only. Another appointment is required for the next ailment. So when you have meetings with the Doctor, Nurse, physio, teachers you might like to discuss many things. You may want recourse on past events etc.. None of this is really allowed, so narrow is the agenda that they move things in the direction they wish and at the speed they wish. Often and I am speaking from just having come from one such meeting today, these meetings will end up having consisted of an exchange of pleasantries by the professionals and statements exchanged of which they all know in advance. Mostly nothing has been concluded, it is a formality a bit like parents night put on for the parents. 

    You can complain, but they are not there to register your complaints and won't do so.

    You can explain, they will reassure you that's fine but they are not there to register your explanations and won't do so.

    You can co-operate, this they like more, provided that it takes them in the direction the intend to go anyway.

    So again by what mechanism does a parent have to effectively and speedily pick up concerns, have them addressed and logged for posterity. Also what recourse is there for hearing critisisms of the services being provided.

    There is no effective feedback method, just long winded and narrow focused complaints procedure and a very narrow focused meetings for the purposes of demonstration of parents.

    Next time you leave such a meeting ask yourself

    what action is occuring that was not previously going to occur?

    what descisions have been made in this meeting?

    Don't be surprised for the most part if the answer is none to both. 

    I feel very strongly that the Government are knowingly or unknowingly setting us up for a fall.

    Central Government make promises and pledges to help children with Autism.

    The local authority can't possible cope financially in honouring these promises so it reneges by simply not diagnosing. Problem solved and scr*w the parents.

    'Sorry Mr and Mrs smith but we are going to take you on a magical mystery tour of our services. We won't lie to you, we will simply not tell you the truth. May also totally misslead you sometimes and when the penny does drop, and it will drop, we might get a bit nasty. All the same the joke is on you because we have done this time and time again. The Autism rate has skyrocketed but our budget has'nt. Must mean were getting better and better every year.'

    I would prefer no services, no promises, just correct and ethical medical diagnosis quickly and information on how parents could really help their children. It would save so much stress and nonesense.

    And another thing, when you do finally reach that holly grail of Autism and get the diagnosis. You will find that the people that are recruited to supposedly help your child have no specialization at all. Straight from a recruitment site for autistic carers for a Government position 'no experience neccesary'. Very few places exist with any proper training or any depth of knowledge about autism. The Local authority certainly can't afford them.

    If you want something done right, better to do it yourself eh... 

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  • Where do you begin and on what grounds.

    When so many things are wrong clearly something should be done but how?

    I would imagine a class action would have to be about one thing with many parties involved.

    What recourse does a parent have in recording their complaints and getting heard.

    You can submit a complaint directly and if not satisfied with the way it is dealt with continue it into an official complaint. This is not that easy or straightforward though.

    I would suggest to anyone that even though it may be fruitless it is still worth doing. If for no other reason than it provides you with some tangible written evidence that at that point in time you had an issue.

    One problem with any complaint or discussion you wish to raise is that all meetings and even complaints filed are made very narrow in focus. Just like the patient when he goes to a Doctor must have one ailment only. Another appointment is required for the next ailment. So when you have meetings with the Doctor, Nurse, physio, teachers you might like to discuss many things. You may want recourse on past events etc.. None of this is really allowed, so narrow is the agenda that they move things in the direction they wish and at the speed they wish. Often and I am speaking from just having come from one such meeting today, these meetings will end up having consisted of an exchange of pleasantries by the professionals and statements exchanged of which they all know in advance. Mostly nothing has been concluded, it is a formality a bit like parents night put on for the parents. 

    You can complain, but they are not there to register your complaints and won't do so.

    You can explain, they will reassure you that's fine but they are not there to register your explanations and won't do so.

    You can co-operate, this they like more, provided that it takes them in the direction the intend to go anyway.

    So again by what mechanism does a parent have to effectively and speedily pick up concerns, have them addressed and logged for posterity. Also what recourse is there for hearing critisisms of the services being provided.

    There is no effective feedback method, just long winded and narrow focused complaints procedure and a very narrow focused meetings for the purposes of demonstration of parents.

    Next time you leave such a meeting ask yourself

    what action is occuring that was not previously going to occur?

    what descisions have been made in this meeting?

    Don't be surprised for the most part if the answer is none to both. 

    I feel very strongly that the Government are knowingly or unknowingly setting us up for a fall.

    Central Government make promises and pledges to help children with Autism.

    The local authority can't possible cope financially in honouring these promises so it reneges by simply not diagnosing. Problem solved and scr*w the parents.

    'Sorry Mr and Mrs smith but we are going to take you on a magical mystery tour of our services. We won't lie to you, we will simply not tell you the truth. May also totally misslead you sometimes and when the penny does drop, and it will drop, we might get a bit nasty. All the same the joke is on you because we have done this time and time again. The Autism rate has skyrocketed but our budget has'nt. Must mean were getting better and better every year.'

    I would prefer no services, no promises, just correct and ethical medical diagnosis quickly and information on how parents could really help their children. It would save so much stress and nonesense.

    And another thing, when you do finally reach that holly grail of Autism and get the diagnosis. You will find that the people that are recruited to supposedly help your child have no specialization at all. Straight from a recruitment site for autistic carers for a Government position 'no experience neccesary'. Very few places exist with any proper training or any depth of knowledge about autism. The Local authority certainly can't afford them.

    If you want something done right, better to do it yourself eh... 

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