Awaiting First Consultation but need to talk now

Hi everyone, bit of background first. I'm male, 34 married with 2 kids living in Scotland. I am currently awaiting an appointment with what my gp described as psych services, although not necessarily specifically for autism. I went asking for a referral as I feel I am aspergic and for my own sanity I would like a proper diagnosis. There was no issue with making a referral, but I hope I don't end up somewhere generic and get fobbed off. I have no idea how long the waiting list is (although I'm going to chase it come Monday to make sure I'm headed in the right direction). Below is a list (sorry for the length) that I have been building of my experiences and why I think I am on the spectrum. I would value your opinions on this and whether or not it is a worthwhile thing to take with me when I eventually get to see someone. And also I suppose if you think from reading that that I may indeed be on the spectrum.

Anyway, as well as that, I am finding things quite difficult at the moment and just need somewhere to release. As well as the list below, I fear that through the anxiety that all of this has caused, I am suffering from depression. I look after my 2 kids full time and therefore in order to do the best for them, our days need to be quite social. This is pushing me as far as I can go and now that I am really aware of how I function, it is making it even harder. I am worried I'm going to crack and break down.

How do I go about giving my kids the best experiences during the day when I feel so bad inside? My 3 year old has already commented that I don't play as much as I used to. That really cuts. 

My wife knows how I feel, to a degree, but she is working so very hard to support us that I do not want to burden her any more and worry her any more than she already is. I need to be able to deal with this.

Here's the list by the way:

Get very stressed in noisy/busy environments/get disorientated and need to escape

Get quite unsettled by certain textures. There used to be woodworm on my parents floor and I used to pick at it until it was smooth as it upset me the way it was. I still feel uncomfortable with certain textures like the pips inside a melon but I can control it better. I also used to struggle with many meals as a child as I didn't like how they felt in my mouth. 

When on holiday as a child I used to go out for hours on my own looking for lizards while all the other kids on the campsites used to be playing together and getting involved in the activities. I tried this but found I just stood there not knowing what to do or how to join in. 

Find parties/gatherings overpowering and exhausting

Feel stupid

Always on fringe of friend group

Friends always had better understanding of world and unspoken social rules. I used to say the wrong things or misunderstand what was going on. This has not changed. 

Didn't understand the point of puzzle games

Loved animals far more than being around people. 

Always made silly mistakes at school but was still told I needed to go to a special school when at primary school due to my higher abilities. Once I understood a pattern or concept I just fired through whatever the task was. Worked so fast that I didn't spot mistakes

No good at sports

Didn't understand sports, especially team ones. 

Got very upset by smells in buildings - ruined many holidays that involved old historic buildings

Can't use glass lifts or open escalators (fully enclosed ones are fine) - feels like someone kicks me in the side of the head and I lose balance. Not a fear of falling.

Struggled with friends at secondary school - found sitting on my own in corridors easier. Eventually found a group I was accepted into, but always felt like an add-on. I was not required for the group to function. Was unable to communicate in one on one with any of them, bar one. 

Regularly bullied at secondary, uni and at work

Never managed to make conversation so found groups easier where I could listen rather than contribute

Never seemed to have a grasp on what others took for granted, school courses, uni, how to act around other people

Loved Lego but couldn't see past instructions to make other models

Found a love of computers - order and clarity appealed to me. Also allowed me to speak and interact with people by helping them with IT problems

Found a job in IT after leaving university early after struggling with course and alcohol and to a lesser degree drugs. 

Struggled to get past a certain point in my learning. Am finding this very limiting.

Can't get meaning from text books - after a couple of paragraphs the words begin to merge and not make sense. Even topics I am familiar with often don't make sense when reading about them.  I manged to get 1 BSc and 1 post grad without reading any books.

Couldn't make relationships at work. Always odd one out, always laughed at for saying the wrong thing. Ended up avoiding all work social events. Used to ensure I never said what I was thinking which became exhausting trying to fit in or be excluded. 

Spent 12 years at work feeling like the odd one out and always feeling like I was saying stupid things, so stopped being honest and avoided joining in. 

Outside of work couldn't make friends on my own. Always became friendly with people via my wife. Still notice friendships progressing within groups and leaving me behind. I develop a dependence on one key person and use them as a translator for the rest of the group. That person then progresses with other friends and that makes me feel angry and rejected. This is a cycle I can now see going right back to my childhood. 

Finding it increasingly hard to instigate play with my children. 

Get very very angry at people who break rules - dog mess, litter, rude parking. Cant distinguish between that and very serious crime. 

Always feel different

Always feel as though I've failed to make conversation or said the wrong thing. This can ruin an entire day. After any social event, even just seeing friends, I am exhausted.

Often have to say things I don't believe in order to keep a conversation going if it does gain any momentum. As soon as my own views or interests come out, the conversation dies. 

Find noisy places very difficult as I cant concentrate on anything, except for live music gigs, strangely. 

Bad short term memory.

Often misjudge peoples mood and ask if something is wrong when it isn't.

Hot drinks undrinkable - painful
Same with cold drinks. Need to wait for them to cool down or warm up. Others have often finished as I'm just starting. 

Wear sunglasses much more than others to avoid headaches and confusing vision in even slightly bright light. Have had eyes tested and no physical issues. 

Conversation hard as I interrupt or wait too long. Phone calls even harder. Always keep them to a minimum length. As if brain way ahead and already decided what to say next regardless of what person then says

Can't see subtexts in novels or tell what someone's agenda is when others seem to do this all the time

Despite finding interacting socially difficult, I find being on my own very difficult. There is too much "noise" in my head for me to truly relax and my anxiety levels often rocket. 

Pick up a hobby, go so far with it after it has consumed everything then go on to something else. Unable to share these with people though as the level of detail that interests me tends to turn people off. 

Often bump into things and can't navigate passing people in busy rooms

Often make a bad job of something because I don't notice I've missed something until after I've started something else. Even though I then spot the thing I've missed I find it very hard to go and sort it. This can even be walking past something on the floor after clearing up at home. 

When in a group with our children, if something is spilled I rarely think to get something to wipe it up. Only after I realise that is what others are doing do I try and remind myself to watch for this and be the first to do it for the rest of the day. I can then be over eager to perform what I think is expected of me. I can no longer tell how much of what I do each day is based on that pressure. 

Due to all this I have lost any confidence I had in my abilities to learn new things or operate in any social situation. Once my children go to school I will need to find a job and fear I will be unable to do anything

  • actually, just been phoned back by the secretary of the specialist and she says they sent a questionnaire to my GP to pass to me 3 months ago as I need to see a general psychiatrist first who if they think I have ASD they will pass me over to the specialist, who's waiting list runs to the middle of next year :-( I knew it was too good to be true.

  • just phoned gp surgery tonget details of my referral. I have indeed been referred to the person who specializes in the diagnosis of autism in my area. If that is actually how it works out that would be bloomin fantastic.

  • thank you for that excellent reply. I will get on it today.

  • When you go to your GP ask for the name of the Psychiatrist you have been referred to. Then ask if they have training in adult autism diagnosis. If the GP does not know then ask them to find out. If you are not referred to a named Psychiatrist then ask to be referred to the Psychiatrist in your Health Board who deals with adult autism. If there is no-one in your Health Board then ask which Health Board has someone and  ask to be referred there.

    If your GP says they just can't find out write to the Patient Relations or Patient Liason Officer of the Hospital you have been referred to, or write directly to the Consultant you have been referred to and ask if they have training in adult autism. All of this is perfectly within your rights. Do not allow long delays to accumulate. My health board has no adult autism awareness etc. and their tactic to rpevent anyone from knowing this is to delay and delay answering, so don't let that happen.

    Hopefully your GP is OK and you will get a straightforward answer.

    Check out your Health Rights as a patient in Scvotland at the NHSInform website, in the top bar is Health Zones, and in the drop down menu Your Health Your Rights, in that section is Using the NHS. That gives you the Charter of Patient Rights. It is amazing what GPs and Medical staff are required to provide in the way of information but do not.

    Another alternative is trying to get infomration from other autistic adults in your area, they might be able to tell you who they saw so you can request to see a particular Psychiatrist. There are several one stop shops in Scotland, Number 6 in Edinburgh, and I think Number 5 in Perth (I might have the number wrong there) and one has just opened in Aberdeen. But, if like me you don't live in these council areas there doesn't seem to be a lot else. Check out the Autism Network Scotland. If you are near Edinburgh or Glasgow you will probably be OK in finding someone. Maybe try Aspie Village too.

  • thanks again for both those replies. My wife knows what is going on and how I am feeling. In fact it was her who first joked that I was on the spectrum as she teaches and sees kids with various levels of autism.

    my kids are 3.5yrs old and 13 months so too young to really explain anything without worrying the eldest. Walking is actually something I love doing and I should do it more with the kids. I don't mind being in a noisy place with them for a small amount of time, I just cannot function if I need to interact at the same time.

    tomorrow I plan to call my GP and find out what I have been referred to and will then find out if that is indeed the correct place. Before then, if anyone can give me an idea of what/who I should be seeing that'd be great.

  • Hi Chuck. I think have aspergers, but when my children were small, I didn't know. I'm not diagnosed.

    I would suggest that you take the children out. Go to the park, country walks, bus ride. Get to the quiet places, back streets, it doesn't need to be anywhere special, but walk as much as you can. It will lift your spirits, and the kids will love it. I assume you mave a pushchair of some sort, so you can go quite a long way. It can be educational, as you can talk about colours, shapes, even makes of car as you go. Collect leaves and twigs, have a home nature table, learn the names of the birds.

    The rhythm of walking has always helped me, and physical activity lifts your mood.

    Good luck

  • Hi chuckalicious, welcome to the forum.

    It does indeed sound a lot like you have Asperger's. Some of your first post could have been written by me. I do think you may be suffering from depression, too - the way you're finding it harder to summon the strength to play with your kids sounds like a key indicator. Does your wife know you think you may have Asperger's? And if so, has she told your kids that you are struggling with something and not playing with them doesn't mean you don't still love them? It's hard for kids to understand things like this, and they may think they have done something wrong. If their mum tells them why, they might understand a bit better.

    One or two of your points made me think you could have Irlen's syndrome too - you mention 'confused' vision and finding reading text books difficult. These are common in Irlen's apparently. I have only just recently began to consider the possibility that I have it. It might be worth mentioning to your doctor when you go for assessment for AS.

    Hope this helps

  • friends, not fitnesss. Having real issues editing text on my mobile hence the typos

  • thanks DaisyGirl I will take a look at those suggestions. Certainly from all the sites out there reading the experiences of sufferess, it mirrors my life perfectly.

    as for seeing the right person, how would I know I was being referred to the right person or area? My concern is that I get sent to a general clinician who has no interest or specialisation ij aspergers.

    lastly, I do not want to involve my parents in this. They aren't in the country too often and in all honesty I don't think they would agree with what I am saying. My brother had huge problems when I was younger and I think most of their attention was on him and as long as I looked to be doing fine, that's all they were concerned about. I never mentioned any of my difficulties to them. All they saw was me going out after dinner to play with my fitness. What they didn't see whas the bullying and poor interaction.

  • Hi,
    I live in Scotland too. The first thing is, there are hardly any psychiatrists or Psychologists working in the Scottish NHS who have the neccessary training and skills to recognise and diagnose Asperger's or autism in adults . If you do not want to get moved around from one person to another being mis-diagnosed then make sure that your GP has referred you to someone who has the appropriate experience and/or training, you can go outside your health board if there is no-one available in yours. Secondly, make sure that when you see the psychiatrist/psychologist you have a very good case history on yourself, with evidence if you need it. They will be looking for evidence that you were Aspie all your life. If this is not present in your medical notes, have other evidence, like things that happened at school, or things your parents can confirm. The diagnosis is not so much about how you are now, but how you always were in conjunction with how you are now, if they don't see any evidence of you having had problems from at least 7 years of age onwards the adult diagnosis can be more difficult to achieve.

    Lastly read about Asperger's. Like Tony Attwood's book The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome, he also has Q&A stuff on You Tube, also look at Lorna Wing's book The Autistic Spectrum. If this sounds like you and your childhood then you are most likely Aspie.

    Just make sure you get to see the right people in the first place. Hope it goes well.

  • thanks for reading and replying. I have to admit I am concerned I may use it as an escaee or excuse. I have tried and failed so many times it is hard to take the hit every time. Maybe it will be different when I can tell myself it is ol to fail and it isn't me being lazy or stupid or less able than others which is how it often feels.

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    Firstly, welcome to the forum :-)

    you certainly sound as though you will get a diagnosis of Asperger's / Autistic spectrum disorder. I suspect they may also identify dyspraxia. Have you done the free onlijne AQ test?

    Having a diagnosis can be massively enlightening and liberating as long as you do not find yourself deciding that you are unable to do anything because you have a disorder. You have to use it as an explanation and not as an excuse.

    Although you don't like books, I would recommend a book! Living well on the Spectrum by Valerie Gaus is a really useful book that explains how autistic people think differently and how to develop positive strategies to make the most of your position. It isn't a dense, textbook type tomb so I hope you find it accessible.