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New Statutory body as an alternative to the NHS for mental health and hidden disability

IrishInManchesterUK

Now that advances in medical science has uncovered more people in modern times, children, adolescents and adults alike, including in the post-Covid era, with mental health and hidden disabilities including autism, is it not now time to set up a separate statutory body, properly funded and properly managed, entirely seperate from the NHS, dealing exclusively with all mental health and hidden disability issues? We all know the problems of the NHS that have been going on for decades and are well-documented, of mismanagement and wastage, so is it not time for a fresh start with a new body, alongside implementing reforms within the NHS?

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  • While relatively minor issues can be figured out, the reality at the end of the day is that the current crisis situation is totally unsustainable and further emphasises the need to “take the bull by the horns” in implementing innovative, fundamental, far-reaching and groundbreaking legislative changes where, yes, a revolution is exactly what is absolutely required, much needed and long overdue, where difficult decisions must be made, even if unpopular to some, driven by the kind of strong leadership that is exactly what is needed - while I acknowledge the comments made regarding various issues, the present situation must not be allowed to continue - my granny used to say that “there are limits to everything” and “what will a certain course of action lead to” and very often during my 30 years in supermarket retailing, our managers had to use their initiative in dealing with certain situations using common sense 

  • in reply to IrishInManchesterUK
    Trigger warning:
    For a neurodivergent person whose nervous system is already dysregulated by a hostile world, a "revolution" can feel terrifying because it threatens what little stability they have left.
    I know this from personal experience, so I respect where other people may be coming from on this, 
    Nonetheless...
    This thread and what has happened in it is why I said in my first response that the only way change is going to happen is through a revolutionary shift in thought and practice—I'm with granny's thinking on this.
    By adopting the language of the establishment ("it's too expensive," "the public won't support it," "large systems always fail"), people are essentially acting as the gatekeepers of their own marginalisation. It is preemptively managing one's own expectations for a system that is already failing us. "Turkeys voting for Christmas" springs to mind.
    But if I look closer at this, and perhaps more compassionately, the answers members are coming up with here could be a defence mechanism against a much deeper, more painful truth: if a better world for neurodivergent people is actually possible, then the suffering people are currently experiencing is completely unnecessary and cruel.
    It is psychologically safer to believe that a system is broken because it has to be.
    I tried to break the spell by shifting the conversation away from "costs" to "savings" and explaining that if there's a will, there's a way.
    Personally, though, I maintain that the only way for true psychological safety to come about is through revolutionary thinking and action.
    Up the Grannies!!!
  • in reply to Phased

    I’ve read through most of your linked thread and replies to same, (even though it was beyond my own understanding) and to me, given my traditional Irish Catholic faith background, it all really boils down to being a decent person and having a properly functioning moral compass, as this is essentially an ethical and moral issue, that used to be the case at the start of the NHS in 1948 and its founding principles - many Irish nurses who joined the NHS from the 1950’s well into the 1980’s came from Irish hospitals run by Irish Catholic nuns who ran the Irish hospitals properly, according to traditional Catholic teachings pre-Vatican II (1962) and to these Irish Catholic nursing nuns, nursing was far more than just a 9-5 job, it was their vocation, their whole life’s work and they passed these values onto the Irish girls that trained under them, many of whom had been convent educated in the Catholic Ireland of that time (to which we need to return) - I’ve met many of these wonderful Irish nurses over the years and it’s ironic that in the years after their retirement many of these elderly Irish women were badly let down by the NHS that has become ideologically driven even before Covid, amid decades long documented scandals of mismanagement and wastage of public funds in multiple ways, where mental health and hidden disability was an afterthought, where the bulk of (already the poor relation and limited) mental health funding was obsessively focused on children’s autism at the expense of autistic adults - aside from the Liverpool Care Pathway (and the horrific Maid programme in Canada) that was only defeated by a worryingly narrow margin in the Commons, as an older and conservative-minded gay man myself, I was outraged to discover that much-needed NHS funding and resources were being given to children in the form of beta-blockers and gender reassignment hormones where also, transgender surgeries were being performed in the NHS - given the horrific stories from detransitioners, I’m totally opposed to this, especially in the case of children - frankly, our political leaders need to “cop themselves on” and do what is right and start to rediscover their moral compass, grow up and stop acting like children - attitudes will only change when strong and properly enforced legislation is passed (and this will work for public education on autism, mental health and hidden disabilities too) that provide for criminal prosecutions and jail time for senior managers in the NHS and politicians who fail to take their ethical and moral responsibilities and obligations sufficiently seriously - they need to be constantly and robustly challenged on their continued failures in a supposedly civilised, compassionate and caring society underpinned by Christian ethical and moral principles and we must take a “zero tolerance” approach and mindset, which has worked very well for other groups fighting for change, such as the gay community 

  • in reply to IrishInManchesterUK
    IrishInManchesterUK said:
    I was outraged to discover that much-needed NHS funding and resources were being given to children in the form of beta-blockers and gender reassignment hormones where also, transgender surgeries were being performed in the NHS - given the horrific stories from detransitioners, I’m totally opposed to this, especially in the case of children

    Are you sure you mean beta blockers? All they do is calm anxiety. Or did you mean puberty-blockers? All they do is delay puberty. If puberty is delayed, it gives the child time to make a decision when they are older.

    There's no such thing (as far as I know) gender-reassignment hormones. If you mean giving someone assigned female at birth testosterone and someone assigned male at birth oestrogen, that's really something for post-puberty gender reassignment. Again, if the child is on a puberty-blocker, it's not needed.

    Yes, there are detransitioners, but the are only a tiny minority of transitioners. However, I'm not going to try to argue with you about this, just to see that I'm in the 'give them puberty blockers and let them make up their own minds when they're older' camp.

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    IrishInManchesterUK said:
    I was outraged to discover that much-needed NHS funding and resources were being given to children in the form of beta-blockers and gender reassignment hormones where also, transgender surgeries were being performed in the NHS - given the horrific stories from detransitioners, I’m totally opposed to this, especially in the case of children

    Are you sure you mean beta blockers? All they do is calm anxiety. Or did you mean puberty-blockers? All they do is delay puberty. If puberty is delayed, it gives the child time to make a decision when they are older.

    There's no such thing (as far as I know) gender-reassignment hormones. If you mean giving someone assigned female at birth testosterone and someone assigned male at birth oestrogen, that's really something for post-puberty gender reassignment. Again, if the child is on a puberty-blocker, it's not needed.

    Yes, there are detransitioners, but the are only a tiny minority of transitioners. However, I'm not going to try to argue with you about this, just to see that I'm in the 'give them puberty blockers and let them make up their own minds when they're older' camp.

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