Infinity issues

ArchaeC wrote: "There is much to digest in what you say. Embodiment can mean different things to different people, for different purposes. Are you talking about the sense of giving form to our emotions, beliefs, likes, hearing, pain, etc?"

Not quite ~ in that our emotions etcetera are all experienced through the rational, sentimental, communicational, emotional, imaginal, reproductional and sensational sensibilities ~ as which altogether in the dimensionally and formationally interwoven sense embody us as a conscious ‘spatial’ being.

Hence it is more accurate to state that emotions etcetera are given form through the experiential embodiments of our embodiment.

"..it" always rolls downhill.

Take the compliment!

Was that Netflix? I have a feeling I watched the first episode some years back... it was a bit Blade Runner-y (coincidentally enough, given Debbie's comment below). I think I liked it, then somehow drifted into other waters anyway. 

Shardovan said:

Not while we are organic beings. In the future, the far future, there will likely be immortals (or people - not composed of organic matter or non-transferable consiousness)-  with the option to live for 100 years, sleep for fifty, or pull the plug on themselves if they reach a point when that attempted equilibrium between oblivion and unremitting awareness no longer balances out the push-pull of the existential crisis.

Have you seen the TV series Altered Carbon?

It explores the issue of near endless life (while you can afford to pay for it of course) and the impact that has on the psyche.

Season 1 is really good but season 2 I felt was much more lazy.

Teehee, I confess I nicked some of that phrase from one of Doctor Who's more arthouse episodes :-)

Shardovan said:

and when the first test post finally appears, the first second of eternity will have passed.

Were you the scriptwriter for Bladerunner?

..and when the first test post finally appears, the first second of eternity will have passed. :-)

Eternal life and eternal death are equally panic-inducing concepts. Though the latter was the one that first gave me that feeling of pure existential terror when I was a child and first truly absorbed (while trying to sleep one night, a great time to think of eternal blackness while the world carries on without one) as the closest approximation  what 'death' truly meant, personally. There's a panic that goes beyond 'I have to fix or postpone this', because neither is possible. Not while we are organic beings. In the future, the far future, there will likely be immortals (or people - not composed of organic matter or non-transferable consiousness)-  with the option to live for 100 years, sleep for fifty, or pull the plug on themselves if they reach a point when that attempted equilibrium between oblivion and unremitting awareness no longer balances out the push-pull of the existential crisis. Those people will look back on us with amazement, thank us for our mortal service, the slow work in getting them there, layer upon layer. Just as we do to the people who invented the wheel or what have you. Anyway, yes, teetering on the brink of total inexpressible terror of eternity's long unfolding and picturing the infinite 'sleep' that goes with that can still leave me reeling at 3 am. I retreat, of course, back into everyday thoughts, or a podcast, or an assortment of trivia quizzes (can I name every Doctor Who director in order until I fall asleep... OK, go!) and I'm ironically better at quieting the panic than I was when I was further from death back then. 

Deepthought said:

Well thanks for the welcome and all that ~ but I have weekly been doing experimental post tests with no manifest results for the last month, aside that is from being informed that there is an error and I need to contact the administrator each time I have tried unsuccessfully to post a particular reply. 

I no longer bother with reporting the same problem ~ I mean this is after all the second website that has the same problem, only to a much greater extent of course ~ glum rolling eyes emoji.

You are another 'older' member I've read today has been stopped from posting here.

I'm glad you achieved a post today DT! + welcome back.

Well thanks for the welcome and all that ~ but I have weekly been doing experimental post tests with no manifest results for the last month, aside that is from being informed that there is an error and I need to contact the administrator each time I have tried unsuccessfully to post a particular reply. 

I no longer bother with reporting the same problem ~ I mean this is after all the second website that has the same problem, only to a much greater extent of course ~ glum rolling eyes emoji.

Actually that isn't what we are told by God or Jesus, that helfire stuff is inventions of the guys with big hats. 

There is however likely (It seems to me) to be a time when one needs to choose eternal life or nothing at all, but by then I am reliably informed everyone will know the score, so it'll be a fair choice...  

I'm trying to love the life I have, and subdue it enough to confidently step into the next challenge (whether it's a long cold rest or some spiritual shenanegans) when the time comes.

Knowing that God is both real and "good to know" is a great help with that, I've found. 

Welcome to the world of "experimental post tests."

More tedious than most things.

"Be passers by"......feels apt at times like this?

FYI - I'm still contemplating a true and appropriate response via pms.....I think it has only been x months.....and because neither of us have any clue what x is/means.....rest assured that my thoughts still abound on the specifics...deeply.

With value.

Yours.

Iain said:

Deepthought said:

Finite bodies can only in part understand the nature of infinity,

It does not help that the one observable "infinite" system we can refer to - the universe - is measurably expanding.

Experimental post test.

Iain stated: “It does not help that the one observable "infinite" system we can refer to - the universe - is measurably expanding.”

It is though instead helped by it’s expansion ‘through’ absolute space and the infinite dimensional plains of ‘dark’ (in-visible) energy and matter.

Iain stated: “Something that is infinite cannot, by definition, change size.”

Absolute space exists as an ‘atmos’ of dark energy that has no boundary spherical or otherwise and hence as such we and all created things exist through it ~ rather than in it, with dimensions as such having plains for their infinite series of ‘interweaving’ expansions from and contractions into one another through space ~ as is observable in terms of galactic formations involving respectively black wholes, gas clouds, stars and solidifying bodies to lesser and greater degrees.

Iain stated: “The same applies for eternity. It was proven back in the 1960s by Steven Hawking and Roger Penrose that time cannot extend back indefinitely and is provably demonstrated to start with a singularity we refer to as the Big Bang.”

The Big Bang Hypothesis is not yet evidentially supported in regard to it’s explanation of the origin or the initiating stages of the universe, and in that it is a reverse extrapolation based upon the theory of galactic expansion ~ it neither proves or disproves the existence of a singularity that initiated the process of inflation, hence Roger Penrose's proposal that the Big Bang is instead part of a cyclic process of infinite expansions and contractions through the absoluteness of space ~ as is described under the heading of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, or more simply referred as the Big Bounce Theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_cyclic_cosmology

Iain stated: “Before the Big Bang the laws of physics did not exist as time is one of the dimensions that was created by the big bang so there is no meaning to time beforehand.”

As mentioned above, the Big Bang Hypothesis is incomplete and only theoretically validated in relation to inflation, whereas prior to the big bang, you describe a lack of means for relational time and space to exist physically ~ and therefore no causative or initiative sequencing either ~ whilst absolute space and time by way of being dark energy and matter enables relational space and time to have either become so, or in more relative terms to have continued on being as it is.

Iain stated: “Fun fact - there are 11 dimensions (not just the 3 spatial and 1 temporal one we perceive) as predicted by M-theory, a derivative of superstring theory, which moved into Multiverse theory and a whole new noodle-baking bunch of implications."

Fun corroborating fact ~ humans neurologically operate on the basis of seven dimensional geometries involving up to at least 11 dimensions.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2017.00048/full

There are of course infinite progressions of dimensional plains and spatial domains ~ just as our visible spectrum only accounts for a tiny percentile of what we can so far detect instrumentally, with the experiential domain we physically exist through having a 3 dimensional theme running through it’s octave ~ hence light having 7 colours, diatonic music 7 notes and minerals 7 crystal lattices.

The idea of time being the fourth dimensional plain is though a bit off ~ as each plain has it’s own frequency and therefore timing, but it is the central plain of this domain at least that facilitates it’s harmonic frequency, and as such governs each temporal manifold as a relative time-frame with it’s own curvatures involving particular amplitudes and probabilities ~ hence the infinite wavelengths of possibilities and finite probabilities becoming our singular timeline of experience.

Iain stated: “I'm not sure the average human mind has the capability of grasping all of this (mine struggles at the concept of infinite infinities) so we are relying on the propeller heads doing the research to make some sense of it for us.”

The more that near death and seizure induced out of body experiences and the like are experienced, researched and instrumentally recoded, and the more that human body proves as such not to be the final limit of our conscious experience ~ more and more cohesive and thus expansive grasps of universal principles can be better refined and defined.

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2014/10/07-worlds-largest-near-death-experiences-study.page

I think the simplest way though to analogise infinite series of infinities is by way of imagining modern televisions with endless series of channels involving just one show, with each version of which showing different levels of the same existence ~ i.e., what is done physically on channel 1, what might have instinctively been done otherwise on channel 2 ~ had we listened to our selves or self, and what is or was otherwise imagined on channel 3 as being perhaps more concerning or anticipated ~ and so on and so forth ad infinitum.

Iain stated: “Start looking down this rabbit hole and you are probably going to need some high grade medical relaxants to get over it all.”

Westerners are more prone to ‘worm-hole’ or tunnel experiences it seems according to some research, whereas mine like easterners involve experiential phase-shifts as I disembody through the geometries of the dimensional plains into the spatial light of this octaves lights ~ with prescribed medicines helping to minimise the number and aftermaths of my seizures, which are of the ‘psychogenic’ (stress induced) variety ~ due to having gotten so ill as a toddler that I very nearly died, along with all the other traumatising complexities that were increasingly forced upon me for not “fitting-in” socially, educationally and professionally.

It is somewhat ironic that having a ‘seizure’ is also called ‘fitting’, given that I have been doing this ‘in’ every social setting and scenario since the age of 3.

My next life-span resolution is to select only a minimal difficulty study course, rather than than the average, substantial ‘and’ lethal ones altogether. ;-)

Iain stated: “A strong cup of builders tea is my go-to drug in this case.” ;-)

I go for cups of ‘architects’ tea me ~ i.e., a comparative blue-print of flavour when compared to the rugged burliness of builders tea! :-)

Iain stated: “Sometimes it helps not to think about it at all.”

Being able to just think about it ‘sometimes’ seems quite pleasant ~ what with it being as such almost completely optional for the vast majority of people, and all that

I suspect it probably is. 

Experimental post test.

Is that what they call "inner narrator" or something similar? I do a similar thing where I'm almost talking to myself or "life" in my head all the time.

Abrahamic beliefs are modern Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Ba Hai and any others who trace thier beliefs back to the patriarch Abraham.

I know not every one believes the world is damned or that it's my way or the highway, it depends on sect, personal belief and so many other things.

Can I ask you which religion/s you refer to when you talk about an ‘Abrahamic belief set’ and an ‘Abrahamic religion’? Not everyone who has a religious faith believes that ‘it’s their way or no way’ and not everyone believes that the rest of the world is damned’.

I agree with you about some pratices, especially some of the more extreme aescetic practices like the Buddhist ones you describe, but I do get the idea of monasticism and feel drawn to it myself. Having spent quite a lot of time in silent meditation retreats, the idea of living that life fulltime has it's appeal, I never found it about concentrating on an after life but living more fully in this one, there so much that gets missed out on in the hurley burly of life, I feel that I/we only live on one level, whereas in a mostly silent meditation space there seem to be so many more levels of life and so much more to appreciate. You get to know other people so differently, so many of the cues that we unconciously jusge people by are absent, how they speak, their accent etc, it's like you get to know the real them before you've made a load of judgements about them. I found much more love and understanding with people I'd never have normally connected with, some people find that very frightening and it does hold a mirror up to yourself, you see yourself reflected in the judgements you don't know you're making, it's uncomfortable at first, but then so liberating. The world just seems to get bigger and more wonderful in it's complexities.