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Interesting article?

I Sperg

Although many of you will find the source (particularly the comment section) not acceptable fayre, occasionally they produce an interesting article. 

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/new-research-validates-autisms-link-gut

I am trialling a more carnivore diet right now, as it seems to help reverse or prevent my "low moods".

I like my carbs, but they may not be as helpful as the cereal box told me as a youth. 

I've also learned about that heathy food pyramid thing was created by commerce, and not science...

  • in reply to Ian

    Today, I found myself "crashing hard" emotionally, and "treated myself to a fried breakfast, and have also eaten fish today, instead of my usual carb and sugar diet,

    The recovery was shorter than it often is, and I've long suspected a dietary component affects my mood.. 

    I'm currently altering my diet to eat more meat, based on something I saw on the internet that seems to make sense, and "feels right in my gut". I'm still allowed to try quite a few things out for myself, and diet is one.

    Drugs can only get a person so far, whether given by a doctor or self selected, life and living it is more complicated than simple chemistry, BUT I've grown tired of the periodic (and growing) "unavailabilty for work" that Autism seems to bestow on me, so some (careful) diet and lifestyle changes seem indicated...   

  • in reply to T

    Anti-vaxer Andrew Wakefield got his paper printed in the Lancet, which later issued a retraction. However, it was his interview on the BBC that triggered public fear of MMR vaccination. At first sight, he was a consultant at a premier teaching hospital being interviewed by a tv channel that prides itself on its impartiality - hence he was believed. It was only later that problems of methodology and conflicts of interest (identified by the GMC) disproved his hypothesis. The trouble is that once a false story is in the public domain, some people will believe it even after it is disproven. Particularly parents trying to find someone to sue for "causing" their child's autism, and seeing drug companies as a target because they have big pockets.

  • I had a quick look at this. There is increasing interest in links between the gut biome and a range of medical conditions. It appears to be backed by some peer-reviewed papers in reputable journals like Cell.  Fecal transplants sound gross and a bit weird, but it does appear to be the subject of genuine ethical research.

    I found an interesting paper:  Chen, Y.; Xu, J.; Chen, Y. Regulation of Neurotransmitters by the Gut Microbiota and Effects on
    Cognition in Neurological Disorders. Nutrients 2021, 13, 2099. https://doi.org/10.3390/nu13062099 which I have downloaded and will look at in more detail later, but at a quick glance, it makes sense.

  • There were only 18 autistic children in the faecal transplant trial, which is hardly a huge number. I can imagine that the treatment may have had beneficial effects on gut problems. However, it strikes me that the apparent 'improvement in autism' may have a lot to do with the children not having chronic pain and discomfort any more. While gut bacteria probably have some influence on brain function and metabolism, I cannot see them remodeling established 'autism-type' brain architecture. I have taken probiotics, namely Bio-Kult, for about 10 years and have not noticed any difference in my autism-related traits, though I believe that my gut problems have been moderated by it.

  • in reply to I Sperg

    I know that personally I'm not knowledgeable enough to read two scientific papers and tell you which one is a genuine breakthrough and which one is dubious. So things such as who is reporting it and who is the intended audience are a useful barometer. 

    It seems unlikely in the extreme that anti-vax/5G conspiracists would all congregate to read legitimate scientific research, whereas the chances of them going to a website that's happy to report pseudoscience dressed up presentably seems much more probable. And yes, if someone is calling themselves Tyler Durden, I will probably wait for another source. 

  • This has been researched for quite a while.

    Protein keeps hunger away better than Carbs.

    My bread of choice, nowadays, is sourdough.

    Of course, Merica has been Psy Op-ed for so long, they view everything as a war. A mindset forged in the Playgrounds and Working Environments.

    The origin of all this was the Mid Nineteenth Century Kulturkampf, when Protestant Northern Germany - Saxony and Prussia - sought to make the State control the Education System. Southern Germany - Bavaria - sought to maintain Church Autonomy in the Schools. Where did the Germans from that era end up? THE UNITED STATES!

  • in reply to T

    So you believe data is tainted by the associations of who reads it? 

    And you ascribe a narrow set of beliefs to the whole readership?

    That's a diverse way of thinking!

    Vive la difference!

  • I will admit that I'm not super likely to respect information coming from a website where the author is using the name of a Fight Club character and the readers also believe autism is caused by vaccines and 5G... yeah.